Right, a next gen Scion tC, a car that already weighs more than that, would get a RWD drivetrain layout and lose weight in the process.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love that to happen, but that's pretty unrealistic. If they keep it under 3100 I'll be impressed.

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well lets see, cutting out the glass roof (~80lbs), the heavy rear folding seats, the massive amount of sound-deadening material, reducing the 106" wheelbase down to 99", and going from a 2.4l engine to a 2.0l engine had better be more than enough to offset the weight gain to RWD. if it's as heavy as the current model I'll be disappointed, if it's 3100+ pounds I'll see it as a failure. this isn't a sedan-transformed-into-a-coupe that would be forced to keep the longer wheelbase/heavier underlying structure, it's a car developed from the ground up to be a lightweight and fun coupe.

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I wish I used an inanimate car company to improve my own lame existence.

/sarcasm

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it wont take much. Im an 02 WRX owner who is sorely sorely disappointed with teh new WRX and i was really wanting a 5dr hatch too!! Just wish it looked better. the new corolla honestly looks meaner than the new WRX. These are sad times for a subaru fan

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...Or why Autoblog can't pick up a phone to get official comment from Toyota

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+5 The current one is one of the best looking 2 doors around

NOW TOYOTA GIVE IT THE V6 286HP!!!!!!!!! =O


CANT WAIT....KNOW ITS GOING TO BE HOT!!!!!!!!


Love Toyota

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@JDMLover:

Everything Toyota does arouses you, doesn't it?

I read every one of your posts, and every single post reads basically the same thing: "OMG TOYOTA SO AWESOME!!!" You are on the same level as those anime fangirls who could be shown literally any anime ever produced and automatically shout "OMG SO KAWAII!!! IT SOOOO CUTE AND JAPANESE!"

Seriously, if you have nothing of substance to add to these comments, just don't post anything.

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I don't see much in it for Subaru. I remember reading an article where their chief was concerned about some damage to their brand equity for offering a 2WD car (in the US). Plus like just about all rebadges, one brand will be considered better through market perception just because, even if the cars are identical (and both made in Subarus plant.) So the Toyota version will probably cost a little more to start with, hold its value better, and be considered the better car. Much like it was with the Honda Passport/Isuzu Rodeo, Toyota Matrix/Pontiac Vibe, Corrolla/Vibe, etc etc...

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1) Two variants, 1 Toyota product, 1 Subaru product.

2) Toyota confirmed it would be sold only in Japan as a Toyota, but Subaru would get the export. They never said it wouldn't be an export as a Scion. So the answer to your second question is, all of the above. One Scooby, and one Toyota sold only in Japan as a Toyota, but sold elsewhere as a Scion. Not much different from now.

3 & 5) That's all to be determined, but some rumors have reported that AWD COULD be a possibility. The Subaru makes the most sense, although a Celica All-Trac would make some sense in Japan. I would also venture to suggest the Toyota model could be more cruiser than bruiser with the Subaru taking the vice versa approach. Initial reports point to a naturally aspirated boxer so no turbocharger as not to step on the WRX/STI's toes.

4 & 6) Well for all you Scooby fans....at least it's not based on an Evo. :-P

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I think the whole fact a lot of people into performance vehicles aren't going to even step foot on the Scion and Toyota car lots.

Soob doesn't make a ton of different cars, this could be a nice new offering from them. I also expect some little touches that will make the Subaru a more appealing choice.

Also, if anybody has driven a tC and an Impreza/WRX - the differences are night and day. The tC is easily one of the worst driving economy cars I've driven in ages. Even the little McFit eats it alive in performance/handling... The tC's shifter is mushy as oatmeal, the engine: garbage, the steering: worse, handling: junk, the build quality isn't bad but weak compared to an Impreza.

Imagewise I think Scion = ghetto econocar for ghetto-level ricing. Subaru = great drivers cars.

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Giving it AWD I think would make it too expensive for Scion, and if they jsut did it in Japan for Toyota I think they wouldn't call it an All-Trac, simply because that implies Toyota's AWD system, and rumor has it thsi vehicle is Impreza/Legacy based. I;m curious if they would call it a Celica in Japan since that is a long storied nameplate dear to Toyota, and sticking it on a Subaru, even though its codeveloped, still mainly a Subaru would be out of the question.

&Rev
If its a good enough car, people will care less that its a Scion branded vehicle in this country. I don't think Scion has that bad an image as you portray.

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the front end wasnt the part i was scared

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