• Oct 27th 2008 at 6:28PM
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The full-size SUV's future is on shaky legs and now, reports have surfaced that General Motors has killed the next generation Tahoe and Yukon 'utes, just weeks after announcing it would shutter its SUV plant in Janesville, Wisconsin. Of course, if that pair is buried, the Suburban and the Cadillac Escalade that use the same platform must also come to an end, at least in their current form.

Past reports indicate that the ultra-lux ride from Caddy will move to the Lambda platform for its next generation. The Tahukon pair had been slated for a redesign in 2011, and since that's reportedly not going to happen, the duo's future is definitely in question. GM will probably keep churning out the current version until it's no longer profitable to do so.

These days, any story about the General would be incomplete without some mention of Chrysler, and this one's no different. America's number three automaker just announced just last week that it would be phasing out its full-sized 'utes as well. Therefore, any possible merger of the two companies would carry on without a new large SUV platform at all. How the times have changed.

[Source: The New York Times via Inside Line]

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      • 6 Years Ago
      Great news. There should be a federal tax of say, $1500.00/year for every car or truck with an engine larger than 4 cylinders. Hopefully, the next congress will consider nationalizing the auto industry and set the rules for what is built. The free market does not do a very good job in so far as people cannot be trusted to make wise transportation decisions. Fewer choices better suited to real needs.
        • 6 Years Ago
        "wise transportation decisions". By who's standard? Yours? I drive what I want and if you don't like it, that's too damn bad. For me a Suburban is the wisest transportation decision I've ever made. All the utility of a truck paired with the awesome ride quality of a big Buick. Suburban stands alone in a sea of FWD unitized wedge-on-wheels garbage we like to call cars.
        • 6 Years Ago

        The free market does not do a very good job in so far as people cannot be trusted to make wise transportation decisions.

        So you think that the government can be trusted to make the choice on behalf of the people?
      • 6 Years Ago
      I can see the Tahoe going away, as the Traverse is more or less its replacement. But I don't see the Suburban leaving.
      • 6 Years Ago
      There are simply no practical alternatives to the Suburban for me. I am the father of 7 and we enjoy back-country camping in the Rockies and elsewhere where 4-wheel drive is not optional. I often tow trailers for my own use and to support BSA activities. We routinely carry loads on the roof rack as well as in the cargo space. Point me to one other vehicle that can reliably carry 9 people (short of a full-size van). Mini-van? Hah. 7 passengers and it would never survive the trips that I like to take. I guess that I will have to get another 180K miles on the one I have.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Obama would have to try ridiculously hard to be worse than Bush. You really can't do much worse than the combination of economic meltdown and super-expensive war at the same time. All Obama has to do is not start eating babies really.

      Of course, not being worse than GW isn't really a particularly great thing to aim for.
        • 6 Years Ago
        @LS2LS7: I think the point that FactCheck.org was trying to make was, the US economy is very complicated. All of these factors have been in place for a very long time, and it was the sum total of these combined factors over the long run that gradually pushed the economy over the edge and caused the bubble to crash. There are no easy answers as those playing the blame game would like to believe.
        • 6 Years Ago
        @tekd: Before you blame Bush for the economic situation, consider what FactCheck.org had to say about the issue.

        There's plenty of blame to go around, and it doesn't fasten only on one party or even mainly on what Washington did or didn't do. As The Economist magazine noted recently, the problem is one of "layered irresponsibility ... with hard-working homeowners and billionaire villains each playing a role." Here's a partial list of those alleged to be at fault:
        • The Federal Reserve, which slashed interest rates after the dot-com bubble burst, making credit cheap.
        • Home buyers, who took advantage of easy credit to bid up the prices of homes excessively.
        • Congress, which continues to support a mortgage tax deduction that gives consumers a tax incentive to buy more expensive houses.
        • Real estate agents, most of whom work for the sellers rather than the buyers and who earned higher commissions from selling more expensive homes.
        • The Clinton administration, which pushed for less stringent credit and downpayment requirements for working- and middle-class families.
        • Mortgage brokers, who offered less-credit-worthy home buyers subprime, adjustable rate loans with low initial payments, but exploding interest rates.
        • Former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan, who in 2004, near the peak of the housing bubble, encouraged Americans to take out adjustable rate mortgages.
        • Wall Street firms, who paid too little attention to the quality of the risky loans that they bundled into Mortgage Backed Securities (MBS), and issued bonds using those securities as collateral.
        • The Bush administration, which failed to provide needed government oversight of the increasingly dicey mortgage-backed securities market.
        • An obscure accounting rule called mark-to-market, which can have the paradoxical result of making assets be worth less on paper than they are in reality during times of panic.
        • Collective delusion, or a belief on the part of all parties that home prices would keep rising forever, no matter how high or how fast they had already gone up.
        The U.S. economy is enormously complicated. Screwing it up takes a great deal of cooperation.

        Quoted article at:
        • 6 Years Ago
        @LS2LS7: Also, the Bush administration has been doing massive borrowing and overspending for quite some time now, and the economy didn't blow up right away, either. Like a huge ship, it takes a long time to turn the US economy.
        • 6 Years Ago
        That list is about half junk.

        The mortgage tax deduction? We've had that for quite some time and the economy didn't blow up.

        Also, the list seems to forget to mention the massive borrowing and spending that the administration engaged in.
      • 6 Years Ago
      No they aren't. The new Malibu is everything that the Accord or Camry are, and from all the autorags that I've read, who constantly harp on how amazing anything that Honda and Toyota puts out is, it's better than those Japanese offerings. Further, the Fusion is just as good as the current Camry and Accord, the updated Fusion will be even better (2010) and the next generation Fusion (2013 or so), based on the Mondeo, will leapfrog that by leaps and bounds.

      Also, quality is at almost a dead lock between the American and Japanese companies. Ford and GM have increased their quality ratings significantly, while Toyota has slipped quite a bit in recent years. They "paid the cost to be the boss" and now their quality ratings are getting worse each year.
        • 6 Years Ago
        I agree that the Cobalt and is nowhere near the Civic's ballpark, and that while the Focus is a very capable car, with good fuel numbers and very good sales numbers, albeit a bit weird looking, it doesn't stack up well against the Civic.

        I do believe, though, that when the C1 Focus makes its way over to the states in two years, it's going to far outdo the Civic or anything else Toyota or Honda can throw at it. The Mazda 3 is already either the highest rated, or close to it, small car, and with several years worth of improvements, both that, and the C1 Focus should beat the tar out of the other Japanese offerings in that segment.

        Unfortunately, we need to wait another couple of years to get it.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Malibu is arguably in the same league as Camcords, but without a Chevy Civic (the Cobalt ain't it) to get those young buyers they have already lost their market by the time these people start shopping for a bigger car.
        • 6 Years Ago
        That comment was supposed to be a reply to Gabagool.

        When is Autoblog going to get rid of this God aweful commenting system? It's just so terrible. No ability to edit or delete posts, and you have to confirm them, even if you're a registered user. I understand that last part, because of the fact that bots can still post after registering, but come on...no edit function?
      • 6 Years Ago
      I'll buy a used Escalade just like I was planning. And yes, I have enough passengers and towing needs (five kids plus horses, hockey gear, and out of state trips through the Rockies to the Grandparents) to need one.
      • 6 Years Ago
      I remember being in a library parking lot, waiting for a woman in a Suburban to turn around. She pulled back, hit the brakes and the 'burban would wobble like jelly. Then she'd pull forward, hit the brakes and more wobbling. She did this for 5 minutes, getting more and more flustered. It was at that moment that I realized the ridiculousness of a large truck-based SUV in a city environment.
      • 6 Years Ago
      GM's full size SUVs are some of the most iconic in the American automobile industry. The Suburban is the single longest running nameplate in automotive history. They are some of the most versatile and most reliable vehicles out there. They offer unprecedented levels of comfort and luxury for any SUV in their price range. They drive extremely well for their size and have proven to be more fuel efficient than most mid size SUV or crossover. Having owned a Yukon, I can attest to their reliability, comfort and practicality. I have used every inch of space available and proved essential in transporting heavy and bulky loads.
      If indeed the rumor about their demise is true, then it is the typical GM at play, to stop producing a car as soon as sales dip. They have not changed their act much and I'm really disappointed to see them give up on such important products that still have enormous potential. They could still further utilize them to become more efficient yet still remain desirable. They could at least put off major redesigns and engineering until they have enough finances. When the economy recovers and gas remains below $3.50, people are going to want big cars again.
      • 6 Years Ago

      Last Summer we took our family of 5 plus my sister's 3 into NYC for a weekend. No problems whatsoever with the Yukon XL in Manhattan traffic. The extra height helped if anything.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Now, I'm no fan of the full-size SUV, but getting rid of em altogether is a bad move. There will always be some sort of market for these things in this country, legitimate use or not, that even double-cab fullsize pickups don't quite serve.

      Frankly, since fullsize pickups are staying (and thus some successor to GMT900), how much more work is there to keep 1 SUV model going?

      I understand GM giving up the minivan market, never having had a huge marketshare, but giving up this one to Ford/Toyota/Nissan would be another bonehead move.
      • 6 Years Ago
      • 6 Years Ago
      File this under, "no sh#t."

      Americans are fat, lazy, and stupid. Its about time they stop driving vehicles that are the same way and wake up.

      Its funny in others countries families do just fine without huge rolling living rooms to tote their spawn around in.

      On the same note:
      We have all this excess, the best of everything, etc. and yet we're about to elect an idiot like Obama to the highest office? Proof that just because you may be well off, you don't necessarily have intelligence.

      Congrats America! You all a bunch of fools. Prepare to bend over and take it in the a@s! And you thought Bush was bad. HA!

        • 6 Years Ago
        The Suburban is indispensable. I can see the Lambdas replacing the Trailblazer/Envoy AND the Tahoe/Yukon, but not the Suburban. I predict the Suburban will stay.
        • 6 Years Ago
        What other countries would these be? Even in congested London, Land Cruisers rule the school run and those things are as big as Sequoias (the Toyota, not the tree).
        • 6 Years Ago
        @khlhll: Let me guess, based on how you wrote your post, switching back and forth between "we" and "you", you are a foreigner living in the United States, right? Well, here's the thing. Unlike certain countries in certain parts of the world, people living here are free to move away. If you dislike this country and the people living here, nobody is forcing you to stay here and put up with us. If you choose to live here out of your own free will, then don't complain that we are not good enough for you. Otherwise, you just come off being an ungrateful, arrogant jerk.
        • 6 Years Ago
        I am a republican myself, but you can't really claim that Obama is any more of an idiot than Bush is.

        He may be a unionist, a Marxist, but he is not an Idiot.

        Also, come on now, you know this very well that Bush is the definition of the word Idiot.
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