• Sep 24, 2008
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A Florida man named Scott Weires has canceled the order for his long-awaited Nissan GT-R. Why? It's not that he was disappointed in the car's performance credentials, far from it. The problem is that the GT-R is equipped with a 'black box', similar in theory to the kind found on airplanes to help determine what went wrong in case of an accident or breakdown. By the end of 2012, car buyers won't have a choice as to whether their new car is equipped with a 'black box,' or Electronic Data Recorder -- they will be federally mandated to carry one. These devices track information that could be useful to the manufacturer in determining exactly what is, or has been, going on with a car. There are a few worries, though, that warranty claims could be denied if the automaker, Nissan in this case, deems that the car was being raced or abused in some way or by police or lawyers to determine culpability. Nissan's GT-R carries an on-board recorder that keeps track of the past few day's worth of driving and cannot be disabled. In the case of Scott Weires, an attorney no less, that was enough to look elsewhere. Would it be for you?


[Source: AutoWeek]


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      • 6 Years Ago
      How can that black box distinguish between 150mph on a track and 150mph on a public road?
        • 6 Years Ago
        GPS Coordinates...

        Although, that is nothing a piece of lead clabbing around the GPS antenna wouldn't fix.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Black boxes don't scare me near as much as Americans willing to give up freedom because it might make their insurance rates go down. Keep this kind of stuff out of my life and maybe I will buy a new car sometime in the next decade. If people break laws then it is up to the proper officials to catch them doing it, not for all of us to give up our freedom just in case. If this is truly how some of you feel then please move to a country that doesn't have a Constitution guaranteeing you rights of privacy, I'm sure they will be glad to have you. I for one will never give up my freedom that has been protected by the blood of Americans for over 200 years just on the chance that a gold-digging insurance company "might" give me a $50/year discount.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Isn´t Scott Waires an alias for Nick Bolea (AKA Hulk Hogan´s Son)? maybe that´s why he didn´t agree with the car having a black box to monitor stupidity, hehehe

      If he isn´t the Hulkster´s son, I think same reason applies.
      • 6 Years Ago
      should have had a poll AB.
      i'd cancel the order. can't track the car without worrying about arbitrary voiding ov warranty by dealer. if you are serious about buying this car for its true intended use, you would likewise kiss the warranty goodbye or buy another car. I thought the GTR was fantastic until this nanny popped in.
      now, the better question is does the ZR-1 have the black box?
        • 6 Years Ago
        Well, it has OnStar. Right now, OnStar says that the Vette doesnt have the Automatic Crash Response system. But OnStar does have other systems that can upload diagnostic information from your car to them.

        I'm sure the C7 Vette will have the full capabilities of OnStar though, including ACR.

        http://www.onstar.com/us_english/jsp/plans/acr.jsp
      • 6 Years Ago

      They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
      • 6 Years Ago
      If I crash this car, I'm already dead.
      • 6 Years Ago
      "In the case of Scott Weires, an attorney no less, that was enough to look elsewhere. Would it be for you?"

      I don`t know about a black box? I do know that if I had the disposible income to buy a car like this I`d do better and make it a Corvette
      • 6 Years Ago
      This system is apparently being mandated by the end of 2012, so I'm assuming that all the 'police-state' posters here are not buying a car again and will be rioting in Washington. For the rest of us that are still skeptical, but realize the system could have possible advantages, I guess we'll keep driving. The system could be used to provide key mechanical information to technicians to easily identify and fix problems, or as indicated in the post, clear up blame in a crash where there is no clear cause. Not to mention cheaper insurance for those of us that respect the road and race where appropriate. For those that are racing on the street and complaining to the manufacturer that you need a new motor, you're probably the reason this is being mandated - not to mention 'police-state' control...if you're going to be an idiot, somebody needs to do something.
        • 6 Years Ago
        "For the rest of us that are still skeptical, but realize the system could have possible advantages"

        Funny, but that's what they said about driver's licenses, which are now widely abused by the government for all kinds of things that have nothing to do with /driving/.
      • 6 Years Ago
      I don't live in the US...so...
        • 6 Years Ago
        Not sure what that has to do with it. It's not as though only the US-Spec cars have the data recorder.

        Remember, this is the same Nissan GT-R that is limited to 112mph in its home country unless the GPS determines that it's on a "Nissan Approved" race track.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Black boxes federally required in cars by 2012. National ID cards by 2017. Police "randomly" searching people's bags on the NYC subway. Silent protestors arrested at the RNC.

      It is the rise of the police state here in the U.S.
      www.infowars.com/
        • 6 Years Ago
        i didnt say RNC only. thats just an example i gave. i agree that the problem is too much government regulation.

        Ron Paul 2008!....please?
        • 6 Years Ago
        yep... RNC only, right? partisan hack. Open your eyes. it doesn't matter if you are left or right, the problem (as always) is simply overreaching government.
      • 6 Years Ago
      All of this will stop once "air-compressors" are discontinued in automobiles. Once Electrics are employed fully, and once Hydrogen technologies are deployed, you'll have a black-box to determine how much you'll pay in taxes for the amount of mileage you drive per year. Finally, driving a car will become a daily drag because no one will use them for pleasure, they'll simply be used as another tool. Remember how Cell phones started as a neccesity? Cars started as a desire. Now they are a neccesity. Fun cars are dying. Your life is on costant watch and has been seen OBD-II. Thank the GM terrorists for that crap. They were the first to desire it, support it and employ it. Oh yea, and they are a Republican voting Machine.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Does this "black box" also get you free cable?
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