C-Evo: Alfa Romeo 149 to get its own new platform... sorta

Alfa 149 rendering by Progetto 940
Remember how Ferrari kept saying it wasn't making a cheaper model despite the plethora of spy shots indicating otherwise? Well technically they were right: the California, as it turned out to be, is no cheaper than an F430. Ferrari's sister company Alfa Romeo seems to be going the same route. Although earlier reports had suggested that the upcoming 149, as it's being tentatively called, would share its platform with the Fiat Bravo, Alfa insisted the new car, pictured above in a rendering from Progetto 940, would get its own distinct platform.
The truth, it seems, lies somewhere in the middle. Although the basic architecture will be based on what underpins the Fiat Bravo and Lancia Delta, Alfa's platform will be heavily modified to the point of bearing little resemblance to its corporate cousins. Dubbed "C-Evo", the newish Alfa Romeo platform will be more performance-oriented than the Fiat one on which it's based, and will underpin the five-door hatchback slated to replace the 147, as well as the future successor to the 159. The next Brera and Spider could also borrow off that (unfortunately front-drive) platform, along with an anticipated upcoming crossover.
[Source: Progetto940.it via eurocarblog]












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Hike15 7:11PM (9/11/2008)
The brera can still only compete with the audi tt until they find a rwd platform for it...so sad to see such a beautiful car be so slow
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Shiftright 9:27PM (9/11/2008)
What does FWD have to do with being slow or not? The TT (like all other Audi platforms) is FWD as well with AWD as an option, like the Brera. Granted, 0-60 in 6.5 sec and 150 mph is not all that impressive in these times where Camrys have 275hp, and everything is needlessly fast, but it is hardly slow. Sure, I'll be happy if the next generation Brera/Spider are lighter/faster, but Alfas have traditionally been more about overall balance and driving enjoyment than the outright pursuit of ultimate track numbers. I'll take a 'slow' Brera V6 anyday over the excellent but clinical TT. The Top Gear trio agree as well.
Flea 7:25PM (9/11/2008)
if they make another FWD, 1.8 ton sports coupe to replace the Brera, as an alfa fan, I will be mildly pissed.
(euphemism)
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Shiftright 9:42PM (9/11/2008)
I don't have an issue with having an entry level Brera, but what Alfa needed to do yesterday to silence all criticism of the Brera is add another 50-60 hp. The Brera V6 is actually lighter than the BMW 330xi coupe (AWD), and the Infinity G37 coupe (RWD). Its performance is similar to the BMW, but it's quite outperformed by the G37 with its 330 hp. Alfa has always been curiously shy with horsepower, and it needs to pony up (pun intended) to be a more serious contender.
Max Fun 8:25PM (9/11/2008)
Well, if it's called 149, it's probably going to be the replacement for the 147, not the Brera.
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Flea 8:40PM (9/11/2008)
the problem is the platform. If it's a lightweight, stable and solid platform then, besides having no RWD, all cars based on it will be a good drive: 149, new Brera, new Spider, new 159 which will have a stretched version of that.
But if the platform is no better than the current ones, then Alfa won't be selling well, AT ALL. Which will mean even LESS money into developing good cars.
BoxerFanatic 12:04AM (9/12/2008)
Wow...
That is looking good already.
A 5-door slick, stylish, hatch-back sedan like that... where do I find out more?
But FWD... heartbreak, and deal break.
Can NO ONE BUILD SUCH A CAR WITH RWD/AWD and a stick or automated clutch transmission? It may be a niche, but it would be such a good niche. Especially if it is a bit premium but still reasonably affordable for an employed professional, rather than being solely for the wealthy, like the Aston Rapide.
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Shiftright 2:17AM (9/12/2008)
Every car in this segment has FWD as a base drivetrain because it makes more sense for 90% of the buyers in terms of packaging manufacturing efficiency. Simply put it works, and the latest FWD technology has yielded some truly great handling cars with none of the associated stereotypical vices. The BMW 1 series is the only car in this segment in Europe with RWD, and has been only mildly successful because it's heavier and less roomy than its competitors, and aside from better steering feel holds no handling advantage. The track numbers bear that out. Throw in slick surfaces into the equation, and it loses the plot completely, traction control or not. RWD is good for a high powered and/or highly focused sports car, but it's superfluous in most passenger car applications, especially in smaller vehicles.
BoxerFanatic 2:41AM (9/12/2008)
Wrong.
I have a small, low power, RWD car. Steering feel isn't even the most significant advantage. The car only weighs 2400lbs. Mazda Miata. The RX8 is similar in a size closer to this concept, with more than two seats, and it handles sublimely, as well.
Handling is more neutral, less understeering, less torque steering, better weight distribution, and better emergency maneuverability.
Good RWD handling beats anything FWD and otherwise similarly equipped, Hands down, no contest. The only way FWD wins is packaging for manufacturing. It is easier to load a drivetrain on a single subframe into a chassis, and the rear suspension can be less involved and cheaper. That is it.
Traction is finite, and putting power through steering wheels, especially with ackerman angle, and tires riding on edge when turning causes all kinds of problems.
Just because some FWD cars can be pushed on the track doesn't make it superior or even equivalent. Almost NO race classes favor FWD if there are also RWD cars in the weight, size, and power class.
I have had FWD, RWD, 4x4, and AWD cars. I know the difference, and I will not buy another FWD car as anything other than a beater, or absolutely anti-sporting vehicle role.
If you don't know the difference, then you haven't experienced it enough, or haven't driven a good enough example of RWD.
I don't care how big or small, FWD still behaves like FWD, and like it is dragging the rear end of the car around, while over-taxing the front suspension and steering geometry, and traction, by steering and powering the same front wheels.
And the "weight=traction, and favors FWD in the slick" rule is negated by any RWD car that is anywhere close to 50/50 weight distribution, moreso with an LSD, and completely obliterated by a mid-engined car, or real AWD.
I would put my 300hp AWD Legacy GT, or my stock 1999 Miata with a torsen diff, and good tires on both, against any FWD car for power delivery and handling.
And my legacy, with a rear drivetrain has just as much interior room as any FWD car with similar bodywork dimensions.
FWD is easy, and cheap. That makes it fiscally good for people who don't care to really drive, or want a challenge to make a particular FWD to perform.
But when it comes right down to it, AWD, and RWD are technically superior, and more capable of performance.
And why build a sleek 5-door hatchback sedan if you are worried about ultimate practicality, and not performance? Plenty of companies already make appliances that are practical, and don't perform. They are called Camrys and Accords, Impalas, Tauruses, and Fusions.
Ligor 8:52AM (9/12/2008)
that front end looks hot,
one of hte best front ends, and even better than most exotics and $100+k cars/supercars
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