• Aug 12, 2008


Click on the image above for our high-res 2008 Cadillac STS gallery

It may be the end of the Big Cadillac. Not only has General Motors put plans for a DTS/STS replacement on the back burner, but apparently the flame is close to being extinguished as consumers are demanding smaller and more fuel efficient vehicles. Cadillac's banner year was 1954 (the year Elvis was driving a pink '54 model). Back then, the big Caddys represented wealth and success (and gas was only $.25 per gallon). Today, a 4,000-pound super-sized sedan averaging 15 mpg in the city cycle doesn't bode well with anyone. With plans for their replacement on hold, and the rumor that the DTS/STS my be combined into one new vehicle unconfirmed, GM is focusing on coupe and wagon versions of the CTS and smaller and more fuel efficient SUVs. For the record, we don't consider the just-announced $71,000 2009 Escalade Hybrid smaller and more efficient....


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      • 6 Years Ago
      Bad move for cadillac. they finally have a lineup that can compete with tier 1 luxury brands. this is the perfect time to release a new sts. if they base it on the cts' platform, stretched of course, it will reduce some of the development costs. canceling the dts isn't a bad idea considering gm is probably strapped for cash.
      • 6 Years Ago
      I am currently driving a new 2009 STS awd. I am not a light footed driver at all and I am averaging 23.5 miles per gallon on 87 regular octane gas! That is not a Prius but it sure is good for a 304HP luxury car! BMW/Lexus and Mercedes cannot touch it!
        • 6 Years Ago
        BMW/Lexus and Mercedes cannot touch it!

        Problem is consumers won't either...
        • 6 Years Ago
        If 23.5 mpg is good for a 304hp "luxury car," then what exactly do you call the 26 mpg I average in my 380hp LS 460 L? Oh wait, you're right, Lexus can't touch it because YOU said so, that'll hold up...
        • 6 Years Ago
        So JDC, you're getting 26 mpg combined in a car that's rated at 24 HIGHWAY? That's a neat trick. a 23.5 mpg combined average in a V6 car that's rated for 26 highway seems much more realistic somehow.
      Michael D.
      • 6 Years Ago
      I posted this on another blog (www.motorauthority.com), and I figured I'd post it here, too:



      This is another case with GM either flop-flopping, dangling the carrot, selling out, or pulling the rug out from under us!

      Is this a case where the Zeta-based Successor is on hold/delayed, or canceled/pulled (I would hope on the former)?

      The Sigma-based STS is fine and has great dynamics, but it is getting a little long in the tooth, albeit not so horribly dated, but the DTS, even though it’s nicely appointed, is a bit stodgier and on a dated chassis which began with the MY1994 Oldsmobile Aurora- a cutting-edge platform of it’s day but time has now passed. This successor was supposed (and may still) cover both lines into one.

      Now, that hot and well-received new Lincoln MKS will certainly blow away the Cadillac DTS (if the DTS hangs on due to a replacement being “on hold”) on many levels, and it also sports AWD, has great road-presence with contemporary, elegant style, it’s V6 is on par power-wise with the DTS’s (standard) Northstar V8 and will soon get an upgrade with a powerful Eco-Boost V6 engine.

      Other brands and competitors are going forward with high-end vehicles: MB has the S-Class (recently introduced generation), BMW is introducing a new-generation 7-Series, Jaguar has a redesigned XJ on deck, Maserati has it’s Quattroporte, Lexus has it’s LS line, Infiniti is said to have a Q45 successor in development, Porsche in soon to release it’s Panamera (though this is a higher-eschelon like the Quattroporte), Acura has announced higher tier offerings of a sedan and more, and even Hyundai is being a player here with the introduction of the Genesis sedan, though not has top shelf as the aforementioned vehicles, but upmarket with a V8 offering!

      Granted, the current CTS is fantastic and expanding! The Escalade line is legendary and the XLR is a striking halo. The SRX will be upscale, but a more mainstream, affordable and smaller crossover below the Escalades for more choice. But, where will Cadillac be with premium sedans?! It won’t be in the game! Cadillac is not about humility!

      Of note, the current STS is fine, but not top-tier - it runs more with the 5-Series, E-class, GS, M35/M45, XF and even the Hyundai Genesis sedan. Even Pontiac will likely get more recognition with it’s new G8.
      • 6 Years Ago
      The new CTS is really the old CTS with the current STS's rear.
      Problem is the current STS isn't that much bigger than the new CTS so these models now overlap.

      The STS being based on the Sigma platform is an issue because this RWD chassis is more expensive to produce than the ZETA platform (under the new Pontiac G8). It goes to show that GM can not really afford 2 RWD platforms which overlap. Perhaps the pause at GM is to get their engineers to come up with a solution to this overlap. How to cost effectively produce a larger Cadillac which could easilly be stretch as and when the time is right for a new DTS.
      It's a shame as the STS is a nice car and the DTS has a great number of fans. Both cars get 25mpg on highways by the way. Since GM has bitten the bullet and cancelled the replacement DOHC V8 eninge perhaps a larger Cadillac, down the road, could use the OHV V8 engine which IMHO is at least as good and lighter/smaller in size. That would give a probelm to the marketing people on how to sell a more expensive Cadillac with a similar chassis and engine to Pontiacs etc.

      These are all issues which need to be faced NOW and seemingly they are....
      • 6 Years Ago
      I agree that RWD is overrated unless you're racing. FWD can be fun around corners too and it's more efficient for fuel and packaging. That's why I like Saabs and is one thing that would hold me back from buying a CTS, (although the coupe with a diesel would be swee).
      • 6 Years Ago
      small suv's are dumb and not luxury... make small sporty cars and a wagon or two... you know like ze germans....
        • 6 Years Ago
        Germans make plenty of SUVs, even Porsche!

        Audi, MB, VW, Porsche, BMW - all make SUVS
          • 6 Years Ago
          yeah but most are made in the USA for the USA market and then exported to europe. there are very few SUV's on the road in Europe. yes there are some, but not nearly as many percentage wise as in the US. the Germans make SUV's because of the USA. the trend will be back to cars. if GM doesn't get that then they will countinue to be behind the trend.
      • 6 Years Ago
      I can't for the life of me figure out the purpose of the STS; not only ugly, but absolutely zero room in the rear seat with the front seats back all the way.

      the DTS is by far the best Cadillac on the road, and I am very happy to see it with the efficient FWD, instead of the incredibly retrograde RWD. the FWD packaging allows for maximum space for passengers and luggage. we don't all buy cars to race them, and I'm far from retirement.

      all my friends and customers that live in snow country are all moaning about buying snow tires for their "new" RWD cars, something most haven't done since the 70s. real progress here!! I fail to see how sending the power to the rear wheels via a pole is considered progress.

      anyone who thinks the silly MKS is any competition for the DTS is nuts. look at the rear seat room; one has a V-8, the other a wheezy V-6. the Cadillac looks like, well, a Cadillac; the rear of the MKS looks like a five year old Hyundai XG350L.

      I do take exception to the alleged DTS MPG; I've owned over 70 DeVille/DTS models, including over 50 I owned for my livery business. we drove them over 14 million miles, and our average cumulative MPG was 22.3. we had one that had a tank at a little over 18, and we sent it to the dealer to see what was wrong. my currrent one (2006) is sitting right at 27.4 MPG, average.

      when I was a kid (and again, I'm far from retirement age) a Cadillac was a car that I always wanted to own. in the interim, I've had Mercedes-Benz (over $27,000 in warranty work in less than four years), a new BMW that overheated in 80 degree weather, one very unfortunate Lexus, and a few Lincolns. I was very fortunate to have purchased my first new Cadillac at the ripe old age of 37 (a deVille), and I've never looked back.

      there's a reason it's called the Standard of the World.

      AZMike
        • 6 Years Ago
        Tim,

        at this time, GM has discontinued over 99% of all Reatta-exclusive parts.

        we have 150 Reattas in inventory, and we also have many of the discontinued, high-demand parts remanufactured for us in the USA.

        AZMike
        • 6 Years Ago
        Have to agree w/ you on FWD. Some people like the predictability of it esp in snow, rain. More frugal too.
        Question
        Where do you get the Buick Reatta parts? Does GM still make parts for it or are the parts imported from Asia?
        • 6 Years Ago
        I definitely agree with you there, on all points. However I still think the DTS should be bigger on the inside sondiering how big it is on the outside and considering it is FWD. I understand it has a big trunk, but it seems like size wise somthing is amiss. I would not want a replacement for the car to be any smaller on the inside as I feel like the STS is way to small in the back seat. It seems odd that the longer STS-L is for the Chinese, and we only get the too small STS.
        • 6 Years Ago
        MikeW,

        I live at a breathtaking 940 foot elevation; I don't think that's high altitude. now that you mention it, my mileage when driving in high altitudes (like my trips to Denver) were even better, just under 30 MPG (29.6) at 75 MPH.

        I'll take the "ancient" Northstar and 4 speed automatic any day. my Enclave has a six speed, and my Titan and Dodge pickups both have five speeds. don't know what all the excitement is about; I'm sure a four speed with lockup would do about the same thing.just because something is new doesn't necessarily make it better.

        when you own vehicles that average 350,000 miles in two years like my livery vehicles did, with NO problems whatsover, you develop a very strong respect and loyalty for them. other than routine maintenence, we never had one engne problem, never replaced one transmission, or one breakdown of any kind in over 14 million miles.

        AZMike
        • 6 Years Ago
        I wasn't carping about the northstar being old, but GM not updating it to the variable valve timing edition that the longitudinal installation has.

        I don't like either axle ratio choice for the 'Northstar system'. Where is the 3.48 at?
        http://www.gmtuners.com/images/FWD_trans_ratios.pdf

        The 3.71 is just too shortly geared-unless you are making a hearse, pullman, or 120" stretch (how long is the presidential limo?) and that 2.84 would be great in that twin engine eldorado
        http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/specialty_files_tuner_cars/mosler_twinstar_eldorado_specialty_file

        GM should have something with 50% greater ratio spread than the 4t80 [4.35 -> 6.52], then they would only need one axle ratio.


        The dodge ram and titan are both very close ratio-ed 5 speed autos, and the enclave is geared to tall.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Wow 4 speed automatic and old northstar (and aren't you using the 3.11 axle ratio, at altitude, to get that mileage?)
        or
        Ford 3.7 & 6 speed automatic. (where is the variable resonance intake manifold for some low end torque?)

        Personally I'd wait for the EcoBoost 3.5 V6 in the MKS [and Ford better have the generation 4 Haldex, with rear 'eLSD']
      • 6 Years Ago
      Stupid stupid stupid.

      STS isn't so large it won't sell, and the DTS is needed for fleet sales and stretch limos.

      Jeez, the STS is made off the CTS platform, I can't see why canceling it makes any sense.
        • 6 Years Ago
        The product planners at GM can be so f*cking stupid sometimes. BMW has offered the 725/728/730 with a 5-speed manual for years. Mercedes has had the S280 / S320 / S350 since its inception.

        Why American manufacturers can't figure out that big car != big engine is way beyond me.

        Idiots.
        • 6 Years Ago
        M-B doesn't make an S below the 550 for the US market any more. Even the S430 is gone now.

        So I don't blame the big 3 for doing the same.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Assuming that the underlying logic of this hearsay is true, then Cadillac needs new a upper mgmt team as it appears that they're out of touch with the market:
      1) Stop STS/DTS because of its gas prices, yet push forward with something like the Escalade hybrid and EXT?
      2) The STS/DTS have been underinvested since its introduction. The other luxury marques have since moved the goal posts way out.
      • 6 Years Ago
      I would actually consider a CTS (coupe, esp) but would like to see them get better mileage. So, I can understand if they are looking to eliminate a larger, less efficient sedan or two from their line up. I would think the DTS would be the more likely candidate, and keep the STS. It would be great to get a CTS that could get over 30 mpg in daily driving.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Cadillac doesn't want the image that "average" DTS/STS buyers bring to their lineup. They don't want the average age of their customers to be 70, thats for Lincoln to take care of. Cadillac wants to be exclusive under 40.

      Good Luck!
      • 6 Years Ago
      STS = Ok, improvement.
      DTS = Kill it.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Cadillac Sixteen = Success!! lol (i know its not realistic but i can dream!)
        • 6 Years Ago
        The sts is actually nice. I saw a new one and the bigger grille and the lower stance is definitely a plus.

        DTS is fugly and fwd. two bad features combined into one make one bad deal.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Rising fuel prices mean that GM needs to reconsider the direction of many products, especially this one.

        GM has recently cancelled development of the Ultra V8 and will soon cancel Northstar production. So drivetrain choices are limited to a V6 or a pushrod V8 which may be a marketing issue.

        Also, cancelling the FWD DTS in favor of a more expensive, less fuel efficient RWD replacement may be unwise at this point.

        I think GM would do well with a RWD DTS/STS replacement with a two-mode hybrid direct injected V6 drivetrain standard.

        But that could very well be the wrong marketing direction to go. The FWD DTS is cheap to produce and fits well into depreciation schedules for tax purposes.

        Who can blame GM for taking some extra time to debate their options?
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