• Jul 15th 2008 at 10:58AM
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We've seen the spiffy metal wrapper of Kia's new Forte, the Spectra's successor, now come details about what's underneath. The Forte is larger than the outgoing Spectra, but it also achieves better economy with a given amount of liquid hydrocarbon. South Korean buyers will have the choice between a gasoline or a diesel powertrain. Regardless of fuel, both engines displace 1.6 liters and deliver nearly the same horsepower - 124 hp for gasoline, 128 hp for diesel. The gas engine consumes 7.1 liters per 100 kilometers, while the diesel can go the same distance on 6.1 liters. We'd like to see more frugality out of the diesel, but using 1 liter less per 100km can compound over an entire tank of fuel for a healthy economy boost. A 2.0 liter engine will become available soon, and is likely to be the sole motivator for US-bound Fortes when it arrives in 2009. It will be interesting to contrast the km/liter numbers against EPA fuel economy estimates when the Forte gets to us.

[Source: Kia-World]

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      • 7 Years Ago
      To my eyes, this does resemble a Civic, only better, nice side profile. If the interior is nicely done and a 5 or 6 speed manual with a 2 litre engine, I'd have one, especially saving a couple thousand bucks, Nice job.
      • 7 Years Ago
      That honda civic looks nice. Why did they put Kia badges on it?
        • 7 Years Ago
        Vintage, you obviously aren't paying close attention to the detail. To name off some of the many differnces: the grll on the Civic is both much wider and more narrow. The headlighst both have a downkick in relation to the grill, but design and shape is different. The lower fascia of both cars has 3 openings, but show me a modern car that doesn't? The profiles are completely different, as are the rear ends, both of which I thinkKia has done a superior job with, especially when it come to proportions.

        There's no doubt Kia designs looked at the Civic and said "hmm, I like some of those elements, I think I'll incorporate them into my design." However, it is not flat out copying. It's the Chinese thatd o that.
        • 7 Years Ago
        It looks better than a Honda Civic I think.
        • 7 Years Ago
        People who thinks this looks like the Honda Civic have no sense of automobile design or simply don't have eyes that work well.

        The front is not that similar at all, the whole side profile is different and while it has clean lines, it is more reminiscent of Audi's designs (esp. the rear) than anything else (w/ a bit of fairly complex body stamping going on - which is done better than of the 'flame surfacing' in BMW's Bangle-designs).

        Overall, it's a nice design, but the front fascia is a bit too bland.
        • 7 Years Ago
        It looks 10 times better. It looks nice, and not dated, like the Civic.
        • 7 Years Ago
        • 7 Years Ago
        When KIA decided that the Civic needed some exterior improvements. I want to see the interior though.
        • 7 Years Ago
        LOL!! If anything, that (front) comparison shows that you're blind (and probably dumb as well).

        And what? The entire side and rear don’t matter?

        Gee, based on that, I would say that the new Accord shamelessly rips off the Nissan Altima by having the same side profile w/ the “kink” in the C-pillar (which Nissan ripped off of BMW).

        Anyway, the front is not that similar besides having clean lines.


        1. Forte’s front bumper meets at a point – Civic’s does not.

        2. Civic’s grills is (a) much smaller, (2) inset against the headlights and bumper and not flush like the Forte’s and (3) a different shape.

        3. The Forte’s headlamps are much bigger and more akin to no. of other auto's than the Civic's "beady", little headlamps.

        The only real similarity is that it has that raised hoodline over the front side wheel-wells, but (gasp!), the Corolla has that too (as well as a no. of other cars).
        • 7 Years Ago
        jsjs: Photoshop comparison of Civic and Forte:


        Look at that. If you don't see the blatent copycat design, you are either insane or blind.
      • 7 Years Ago
      MPG conversions:

      Gas 33.1 mpg
      Diesel 38.5 mpg


      It does look a good bit like the Civic with one major exception. The Civic from the rear is an abomination, this isn't.
      • 7 Years Ago
      After a while of staring at this... it still looks like chunkier version of a Honda Civic. I don't think it's a good argument to defend Kia's designers by shouting that the rest of us are 'blind'. The side and rear have interesting and notable differences, but it still looks generic.
      • 7 Years Ago
      Autoblog must been bribed by KIA. Because in eftery article about this car, it's "stunning" or "spiffy" and great in every way.

      It is so utterly boring it redefines the concept. Nothing stands out, it's the epitome of "bland".
      • 7 Years Ago
      I do not like it at all. And will not ever looks like Honda Civic. Like Acord yes. But not with Civic.
      • 7 Years Ago
      I think we need the diesel here in the U.S. Let's not leave the entry level diesel sedan category to VW. But can KIA bring this car here for cheaper than the Jetta diesel (which is pretty cheap.)?
      • 7 Years Ago
      This car looks the same as Honda Accord (European model), http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2008/02/geneva-preview-2009-honda-accord.html

      I don't like Hyundai and Kia, every car they build and that looks good is a copy of Japanese model.
        • 7 Years Ago
        nooneknows -> Since when did Europe picked the car of the year based on only the price?

        It's ok that u don't like korean automakers doing good job in the global market but it's not ok to say BS about it as if it were true.
        • 7 Years Ago
        Wow! It's almost as if Korea and Japan are right next to each other on the globe and share similar cultures and influences.

        Does it have an Asian design theme? Yes. Is it a Honda rip? Not even close.
        • 7 Years Ago
        LOL! Exactly - Dude.

        It's like the meeting of the minds of the "deaf, dumb and blind."

        One says the Forte looks like the Civic and the other says it looks like the European Accord (which the first, then dumbly, agrees w/).

        The problem is ...that the European Accord and the Civic don't look much alike.
      • 7 Years Ago
      LOL!! - Yeah, I don't see auto-makers ever "copying" Honda designs.
      • 7 Years Ago
      This thing look almost like civic.
      • 7 Years Ago
      That's approximately 33 MPG for the petrol and 38 MPG for the diesel... that's a pretty good step up. Even if EPA estimates are different they would probably be proportional.
      • 7 Years Ago
      There – you’ve DONE it. You just confirmed that you are BOTH blind and stupid.

      First off, I never stated that I really liked the Forte’s design, it’s decent, but hardly great, tho better than the Civic or Accord.

      Second, as I stated before, how can the Forte be a “copy” of the Accord and Civic? Two totally DIFFERENTLY looking autos. (Once again, you aren’t bright enough to pick up on that).

      Third, how is the Kia Cee’d a “copy” of the European Corrola (that’s a new one)? They don’t look much alike besides both being hatches. Heck, if anything, the side glass treatment of the Cee’d looks like that of the older Pontiac Vibe, but that’s about it.

      Based on your “logic” – both Toyota (via Scion w/ the xB) and Honda w/ the Element copied Nissan’s Cube and all of the them copied Chrysler/Plymouth when they came out w/ minivans.

      Fourth, the Kia Cee’d is more popular than the Corolla and even the Civic in Europe b/c numerous auto magazines in Germany/Europe (I think they know about their cars) have rated the Cee’d a better car, w/ it’s handling rated better than the Civic's and esp. the Corolla. Some auto reviewers have stated that the Cee’d has handling that’s close to that of the (gasp!) VW Golf.

      Fifth – uuh, Chinese auto-makers have been known to copy Hyundai models (and by that I mean virtual copies) – gee, why would they do that if Hyundais looked like everything else?

      And oh, I’m not in a market for an entry-level compact, but thanks for resorting to the typical dumb, red-herring “can’t afford it” argument.
        • 7 Years Ago
        Hey dumbass, I never agreed it looked like an accord. I agreed Kia rips off designs.


        You're wrong. What do you do for a living? I'm guessing it has nothing to do with design, which is MY JOB.
        • 7 Years Ago
        "And oh, I do have a background in design (and obviously a much better grasp of detail than you)."


        jsjs.....men's underwear design doesn't exactly qualify as automotive styling....so stop trippin' out, prom queen.......
        • 7 Years Ago
        KC - go back to dumping more cut-up potatoes into the fryer and leave the conversation to adults.

        Vintage - for someone who is supposedly an industrial designer - you have certainly do not have an eye for shape or detail. lol!

        Besides the fact that 3/4 of the Forte in no way even resembles the Civic (the entire side profile and back) - the front doesn't share much except for having clean lines and the upraised hoodline.

        Let's just look at 2 basic elements - the grill and headlamps.

        1. The Civic’s grill is (a) much smaller, (b) inset against the headlights and bumper and not flush like the Forte’s and (c) a different shape.

        So - NOT the same size or shape and is set differently into the front fascia.

        Hmmm - yeah, they're really the "same".

        2. The Forte’s headlamps are much bigger and more akin to a no. of other autos than the Civic's "beady", little headlights.

        Again - not the same shape or size (but to you, who is probably blind, they're the same).

        The Forte's headlamps are not even close to being as similar to the Civic's - as Mistu or Audi going w/ the "angry" headlamp style that was seen on the older Elantra (but I'll bet you never accused them of "copying" - despite being much more similar).
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