• Jun 27, 2008
When you're winging a vehicle as expensive and powerful as a purpose-built Dodge Viper drift car, being fearful will only lead to a bad ending. Sam Hubinette doesn't have any such compunctions while sliding sideways at 90 miles per hour. Should he inadvertently hit the wall, whoops. Fretting over potential contact will likely only make it inevitable. The hairy-chested car guys over at 0-60 were hanging out at the third round of Formula Drift competition in Englishtown, NJ, and caught up with the Skidding Swede for a few minutes while shooting a larger video of the competition. The smoky event saw Hubinette's Viper place second to Tanner Foust's Nissan 350Z. Foust, you'll recall, is one of the hosts of NBC's domestic "Top Gear." Good to know he can drive. Now's your chance to take shots at drifting and complain about how it's not racing, and doesn't require any skill, though we assure you it is, and it does. You still don't have to like it. Video posted after the jump


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      • 6 Years Ago
      I liken drifting to figure skating. Hard as hell to do, but not a concrete metric to base scores on, there's some 'artistry' involved.
        • 6 Years Ago
        I actually had figure skating in my post before I deleted it, because honestly, if I had posted it, people would have seen it as flamebait, because figure skating is FAR from manly. I was actually trying to think of something else similar that wasn't considered girly, and the closest I could think of is the "jumps n bumps" event in freestyle skiing. Unfortunately, in this, even though it is judged, the time matters much more than in drifting (although less than in any actual race), so it isn't quite appropriate.

        The article says a drifter is a good racer. Untrue. Car control doesn't mean you know the other parts of racing. Remember "slow down, go faster"? You don't necessarily learn that when you learn to drift.
        The article calls drifting a race. Untrue.

        If you have a problem with either of these two things being said, you either don't know much about racing yourself or else you just have a big chip on your shoulder. Neither of these is something that is my problem.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Right.

        Okay, now someone show this man's comment to LS2LS7. See? This is how a comment expressing the place of drifting should look--notice how he didn't come off like an asshole, yet still expressed a separation between drifting events and traditional racing.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Wow. I missed a sentence. The article says drifting is racing, it most definitely is not. Even ask drifters if it's racing, they'll say it isn't.

      Even when it is timed, the timing doesn't really come into play in picking a winner. It's some sort of competition, but it isn't a race.
      • 6 Years Ago
      ls2ls7, what are you talking about? I can't see neither where the article says anything about drifting being racing (mind the ''Formula Drift COMPETITION'' part) or where it proclaims tanner to be a good RACE driver. It just says there that it's ''good to know he can drive''. And obviously he can. I agree with the rest, drifting is not racing, but competition, and a good drifter isn't necessarily a good racer. But, to be honest, with that kind of car controll probably wouldn't take long to become good.
      Bob
      • 6 Years Ago
      Drifting is competition. Drifting is motorsport. It is not racing. Noting wrong with it, it's just not racing.
        • 6 Years Ago
        @Bob
        Agreed, incredible spectator motorsport, but it's not racing. Call it Blue Angels for cars..

        I was also at Etown that weekend and I have to say Foust has excellent car control. During the final round he was literally door to door with the 2nd place Porsche 993, which is not easy going sideways at 80mph. I haven't seen him as a television personality but at least we'll be able to see TG style smoky burnouts, powerslides and stunts on NBC.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Foust can drive, just hard to watch him talk about cars... like nails on chalkboard.
        • 6 Years Ago
        +1. I've said this before. He's a great driver, but he's no good in Supercars Exposed... no personality whatsoever. The driving is top notch, but his presenting skills... not so much.
      • 6 Years Ago
      A drifter is he, this whole American Top Gear show is sounding worse as details are announced.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Yes, he's also a rally driver, ice racer (as was Hubinette) and has competed in the Baja 1000 and Pike's Peak Hill Climb not to mention he's a stunt driver too. He probably also knows that when a manufacturer rates the horsepower of an engine at the crank you wont get the same numbers when you dyno it at the wheels, I'm looking at you Hamster....
      • 6 Years Ago
      Drifting is a motorsport and requires a lot of skill but it is not racing. In a race, whoever comes in 1st wins. You dont come in 1st but get bumped to 2nd because you didn't look good winning. If that were the case Danica Patrick would be undefeated.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Tyler Foust? I thought it was Tanner Foust.

        • 6 Years Ago
        yeah who the hell is Tyler Foust?
        typos are one thing, but getting the names of TG hosts is another level entirely...
        of course, it's not like he's Jezza or anything, so we don't have to kill you.
      • 6 Years Ago
      What does drifting have to do with being able to drive?

      It's bad enough Top Gear and Fifth Gear spend all their time drifting cars around the track, now we're going to have a host who does it for a living?

      The fastest route around the track rarely involves breaking traction. And few of us are going to spend time grilling our tires day to day. I'd rather see cars evaluated for max performance or what they're actually going to be used for, not for smoke shows.
        • 6 Years Ago
        I don't bash drifting at random.

        The article actually suggested we do so. So I did.

        The article also suggested that a drifter is a good race driver, and that's not necessarily true either. Just because you can control your car doesn't mean you know where to put it on the track for maximum speed.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Show you someone who can drift?

        I won't. Thankfully I don't have any friends who drift.

        Yeah, it takes a certain kind of car control to drift. That doesn't mean you can drive like a race driver should.
        FEW
        • 6 Years Ago
        I think its a reasonable deduction that those who drift well are above par race car drivers. They necessarily must make better race car drivers than, say, the average driver, because not only does drifting necessitate a solid understanding of the limitations and abilities of a car, most of them are, in fact also some sort of racers as well. Not any idiot can do that w/ an SRT, and i'll bet not every race car driver can either. Reasonable thinking will lead you to the same conclusion, and besides, who the hell really cares? =)
        • 6 Years Ago
        Ill agree, drifting isn't RACING.
        I never said it was.

        All I said was, drifting is an incredibly show of skill, car control and performance. And It shouldn't be demeritted just because you don't agree with it.

        I think nascar is ridiculously stupid, but I dont run around bashing it. I still respect it because I know its not easy.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Drifting has everything to do with being able to drive. I dont care if people find it pointless, it still takes an incredibly show of skill and CAR CONTROL to be able to hold a drift like these guys do.

        Show me an average person who "cant drive" who can drift, and i'll shut up. (inb4 nick hogan)
      • 6 Years Ago
      lmao@Dan Roth re-editing the article to shut up "why not the LS2LS7?".

      good lord dude. you must not watch drifting if you don't think these guys are good racing drivers. Rhys Millen, for example. set close to hundreds of class records in the SCCA Rally America series. winning multiple championships while being there too. this being because he's the son of one of the greatest rally drivers of all time, Rod Millen.

      another one would be Manabu Orido. currently the driver of the Eclipse/Advan Toyota Soarer/Lexus SC430 GT500 race car in SuperGT. he's one the best and is a humongous fan favorite in the SuperGT series. he's come close multiple times to be a D1GP champion. also, he's posted most of the best times around Tsukuba. Tsukuba is basically a much smaller, Japanese version of the Nurburgring.
      • 6 Years Ago
      I dont know what you're talking about, hubinette didnt even place in the top 3 at englishtown. it was Foust for first, T. mcquarrie for second and rhys millen for third. I remember being happy that hubinette didnt place.

      Sourse: http://formulad.com/pro-championship/englishtown-results.html

      Also, I was there.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Viiiiippppeeeerrrrrrrr (pulling jaw off floor).
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