• Jun 23, 2008
The tremendous pressure on the auto industry is rapidly unraveling even the most carefully laid out plans. Fuel economy is king right now, and trucks and SUVs have gone from cash cows to the 6,000-pound albatross around the necks of automakers. Ford has been giving us a steady flow of news regarding its plans to weather this wicked storm, including the decision to switch truck and SUV plants into facilities that can produce fuel efficient cars and the delayed launch of the 2009 F-150. Now we're hearing from Mike Levine at Pickuptrucks.com that the Blue Oval has all but killed the once promising Boss V8 engine program.

The powerful V8 engine was slated to appear on models ranging from the new Mustang to the best-selling F-150 and Super Dudy, but a stop work order has narrowed the Boss' available engine bays down to one model. Ford President of the Americas Mark Fields told Levine that while the program isn't being killed completely, it will now only appear in one vehicle. Levine has heard from three sources that the lone vehicle will be the Super Duty, which needs a more efficient replacement for the 6.8L V10. Ford has already spent a load of cash on the beefy pushrod, so killing the program altogether would have been a tough pill to swallow. Ford was also planning on more than one displacement for the Boss, but with it now only going in the Super Duty, it'll likely only appear in 6.2-liter guise.

Ford will likely move any and all monetary and development resources possible away from the Boss, and into the hands of greener projects like the US-bound Fiesta. The move makes abundant sense given the current realities Ford is facing, but it still saddens us that we won't get to mash the pedal to unleash 400 naturally aspirated ponies any time soon.

[Source: Pickuptrucks]


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      • 6 Years Ago
      $4 Gas. I wish! In Europe we pay $10 a gallon.
        • 6 Years Ago
        You can thank your government taxing the crap out of gas for that, my Euro friend. 63% of what you pay is likely going to the Government. Beyond that, Europe is made up of much closer cities, and you have far more fuel efficient offerings in the car market.

        Bottom line is that as a commodity, comparing gas prices across countries doesn't make sense.
        • 6 Years Ago
        I do agree with you on that. Last month I was in the US and my neighbor was happy that he had a fuel-efficient car that did 28mpg. When I told him that I drove a 70mpg car, he was shocked!

        In most parts of Europe anything under 40mpg is not considerd fuel-efficient, but we get taxed like crazy!
      • 6 Years Ago
      Pickup trucks don't get bad mileage because the engines are too big, they get bad mileage because they weigh 3 tons with the frontal area and aerodynamics of a garden shed.

      The mileage difference between a large V8 and a small one is inconsequential - 5-7% penalty on the treadmill tests, less than that in the real world.

      Gas prices are up. Truck sales are diving. That doesn't mean trucks are done with, they're still Ford's highest revenue and most important model line.

      And apparently Ford is happy to cede the part of that market that wants power to Toyota. What's 200k sales you didn't get, after all.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Anything bigger than a Ford Ranger or Honda CR-V is no longer a mass market vehicle, period.
      • 6 Years Ago
      So no 400hp Mustang to compete with the Camaro and Challenger?
        • 6 Years Ago
        Yes. The 400hp mustang everyone has been talking about is a 5.0 modular, NOT the Boss/Hurricane. The only people who claimed otherwise were Car and Driver, and this article.

        When is the last time one of the rags got anything right?
        • 6 Years Ago
        Yes. The 400hp mustang everyone has been talking about is a 5.0 modular, NOT the Boss/Hurricane. The only people who claimed otherwise were Car and Driver, and this article.

        When is the last time one of the rags got anything right?
      • 6 Years Ago
      Paul P is right, if the development work has been done on the Boss, go ahead and use it. As for the 5.4L, it's at 320HP right now and looks to be maxed out at that output.
      Ford should keep the 4.6L in the Mustang and Direct Inject it-that should put them at 360 or so Horsepower. As for Gas Mileage, direct Injection would slightly boost the 4.6L V8 and I can personally attest that highway Mileage for this engine isn't bad at all, I recently got 26.7MPG running 70-75MPH.
      For the upcoming F100, use 1 of the new V6's as the Base and the 4.6L 3 valve at 292HP as the upscale engine.
      • 6 Years Ago
      I don't quite know if BigRedSpecial is correct about what this engine is. I have seen this engine (or at least I was told that this is what I was looking at) at a FoMoCo facility and it was two valve push rod. I know this was nearly a year and a half ago, but a pushrod vs. modular is a pretty big difference to just flip in between. I think a lot of people are thrown by the front cover and valve covers shown on some NMRA "experimental" engines by Roush and other rags/discussions. I personally think it's a shame it won't make it into the F-150 as a 6.2L. But as far as the mustang, so long as there's a few Ford Racing/SVT engineers around there is not telling what the marketing guys will green light for a limited production special edition (what's one more, right?)

      Also, thanks for those who point out that the realities of the Mustang/Sti discussion and big trucks. Weight and Aero govern more than .8 L (48 in^3) of displacement.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Maybe this is a chance for Ford to ship over one of the turbo V6 engines its using down under and place it into the bay of the mustang ? Not quite the grunt or sound of the V8, but I'm sure it would make for an interesting ride none the less..
        • 6 Years Ago
        I'll take Turbo (or Twin Turbo) V6 any day :)
        • 6 Years Ago
        Ford has already said that the Eco-Boost V6 (340HP) will be going into the F-150 and offered on the refreshed Mustang. However I've read that a twin turbo version of that engine will be offered in the Mustang (400HP??)

        Do that and drop 500 lbs for the 'Stang and we won't need the Boss. The 'Stang is very overweight as it is...

      • 6 Years Ago
      While this is the logical choice, the fact remians that real truck buyers will want capable, powerful engines, and the competition offers more powerful powerplants than the F-150.
      • 6 Years Ago
      "but it still saddens us that we won't get to mash the pedal to unleash 400 naturally aspirated ponies any time soon."

      You can already do that with a Hemi.
      • 6 Years Ago
      So when are we going to get the announcement that the next Mustang will be a dweeby little econobox built on the Focus platform?



      I am not implying that the Focus is dweeby. But it would be if it had the Mustang badging. Much like the Third Gen Mustang is pretty damn dweeby.
        • 6 Years Ago
        @bigredspecial,

        Absolutely. I'd like a RWD Ford to compete with the upcoming Toyota/Subaru compact coupe. A Mustang II successor could be just the ticket.
      • 6 Years Ago
      While I realize this will upset a bunch of people...let's be realistic. As a company, they need to make what will sell the most, not just to a handful of enthusiasts. The Boss just wasn't marketable in current conditions.

      I would love to have heard it in a 'stang though.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Why would anyone buy a F250 or F350 with a gasoline engine? They'd be lucky to get 10 mpg.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Vs 12-14mpg with the $8000 diesel option. At current price, that buys 2000 gallons of fuel, Enough for 18-20,000 miles. That means the break-even point is somewhere around 100k, factoring only fuel. Maintenance is much higher on the diesel. A lot of guys that work their trucks are done with them not long after that. Having 500lbs less engine helps out on plow trucks, too. Truck rental operators could care less how much fuel the thing uses.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Injected, well Europeans do not want their economies addicted to oil....like some countries run by oil men. And i am not talking about saudi arabia.
        • 6 Years Ago
        yes, oil was forced upon us. the oil companies are the secret evil force behind everything.

        maybe its the environmentalists who wont let any new refineries go up, or any domestic oil fields to be tapped.

        Or maybe its short-sighted politicians like Barack who evidently believe that fuel prices will go down on their own in the next 5 years and so the fact that any laws passed now to allow new oil refineries or wells wont impact us for 4-5 yrs means there is no point since he wont be able to take credit for something now.

        give me a break.
          • 6 Years Ago
          No, a short-sighted measure would be a gas tax, costing the government $10 billion that is supposed to go towards our transportation infrastructure as well as thousands of jobs in that field. I suppose we could always borrow the money from China, though, so that we individuals can have that 18 cents saving.

          An intelligent view would be to focus our resources on alternative energies, which will be the future of transportation anyhow, like it or not. The natural side effect of such will just so happen to be a decrease in demand for crude oil and therefore a decrease in price. That's how the market works.

          There are more than one means to an end.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Mike,
        I completely understand various reasons behind the "evil" tax tacked onto gas prices. Different coutries handle it differently. Some actually subsidize it in order to make the population more complacent. My reply was more to the reasoning behind being told that we don't have it that bad. I would say the prices across the countries are not comparable because they aren't.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Could you site some references where the price of gas was raised for the express reason to NOT be dependent on foreign oil?
        • 6 Years Ago
        Right. Apparently Europe is showing this lack of addiction to oil by protesting in the streets about rising oil prices.


        http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7426971.stm
        http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7432664.stm
        http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/jun2008/2008-06-11-02.asp
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