[Source: Auto Express]
Rendered Speculation: Vauxhall Astra VXR (Saturn Astra Redline?)
Posted Jun 6th 2008 7:58AM
[Source: Auto Express]
Posted Jun 6th 2008 7:58AM
I test drove an Astra last Friday afternoon - the Saturn dealer on the Southwest Frwy. here in Houston has a ton of them. I drove a silver 5 door XR with a 5 spd. manual and a huge sunroof. If it had XM and an iPod jack straight from the factory, I'd actually almost consider trading in my tired old GMC Jimmy on it, but the lack of those things makes me a little hesitant. (I'm also waiting a little longer to see what the 2009 and 10 models of this and other cars look like).
Either way, GM needs to really market this car better. I never see any commercials for it - and friends who I told that I test drove an Astra have no idea what it was (and these are professionals in their 20s and 30s, just the kind of people GM needs to grab to away from their Civics and VW's). I think those who are in the market for a Civic or a VW Rabbit should give this car a serious look - it's pretty well built and looks really good in person and drives pretty well.
Is it just me, or does this new Astra look a lot like the Volvo C30?
June 06 2008 at 12:40 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyPut a pic of the current Astra next to the Saturn and you'll see how GM killed the looks when it brought it over. This nice looking hatch would no doubt follow the same incorrect translation for American buyers.
Just bring the damn car here and switch the badge. Is that so hard to do? Leave the wheels and suspension tuning/ride hieght alone, just change the badge. I don't understand how this is so difficult to do.
The modifications done to Astra for sale here were done to pass US industry standards. Other than that the vehicle is relatively unchanged.
June 06 2008 at 10:40 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down Replythe astra vxr has been out for a couple of years already and i dont see them bothering exporting it the the usa if sales of the current 1.8 version are anything to go by.the vxr has pretty low sales even here where the astra is very popular. i'd say 8/10 astras in the uk are diesel models anyway and thats where all the budget in refinement and technonolgy is going, not the small petrol engines, so if american buyers want a newer better astra theres 2 choices, 1) use mediocre petrol engines .. 2) buy diesel.
June 06 2008 at 9:28 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyThe 1.4L turbo petrol engine will probably rival the diesel's f/e, and in the USA diesel is nearly 1 USD more per gallon than gasoline, so a diesel engine is a hard sell to anyone other than guys with trucks that need to yank fifth wheels or horse trailers.
June 06 2008 at 10:42 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyI think many of us would love the chance to buy a diesel Astra... If GM would give us that choice!!!
June 06 2008 at 12:36 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down Replythe marketing of this vehicle has been horrible...ie their is no marketing. maybe i dont watch enough TV, but i've never seen a single Astra ad. i think ive seen a couple of banner ads on MySpace and thats it...looks like it has the marketing budget of the Pontiac G5
if it got the push the Chevy Malibu did, i think it would be a different story
I'm not sure about that. Its a very nice, quality feeling, upscale compact but it has a lot of downsides for the American market
1) Its an upscale compact, we don't like to pay alot for small cars here. You can have an $18k Astra or a $14k Civic/Cobalt.
2) Its relatively gutless and inefficient, which doesn't go well here. We typically purchase small cars for efficiency, not luxury. GM's own sister car the Cobalt gets 36mpg with a significantly more powerful engine, there's really no excuse for Astra's f/e.
3) Hatchbacks look like station wagons. Americans hate station wagons. Astra is a hatch back. I'm sure you can connect the dots. I really don't understand America's distaste for wagons. My 96 Roadmaster Wagon was my favorite vehicle I've ever owned.
Frylock, just to clear up a few facts:
1. Good luck finding a Civic for $14k. Yeah, it might be a special sale, stripper model. Most I've seen go for $16-$18k, and I worked at a dealership).
2. The Astra has a 138hp 1.8 I4. The Civic has a 140hp 1.8. The Corolla has a 1.8 with 132hp. Those cars sell well, and they are just as "gutless". I think GM's 2.2 is just as "slow" as these, gets the same mileage.
3. You may hate hatches, but not all Americans do. The Rabbit sells well, can you show me the sedan model? And the Mazda3 is available in hatch, and it sells well.
Thing is with "hatchbacks", is that its a fairly broad term. It can be a shortened wagon (which I love), but it also can refer to a coupe-like look with a liftgate. The Nissan 350Z? HATCHBACK. The Corvette? HATCHBACK. Now gone Celica? Hatchback. I'd like to see more hatchbacks like that, b/c while it does look like a coupe (works in sedan form too), it has the usefulness of fold-down seats to stick a dresser or bike back there.
I love hatchbacks and I'm glad to see that GM isn't afraid to give some people a choice. I agree that because of the dollar issue the Astra should be built in the USA. As for sales, I have yet to see one on a lot. When I went to two local dealers they couldnt even give me any reading material on the car. They Could give me some on the vue, but thats not what i asked for. Sales staff are going to have a hard time converting to the mind set that Small cars are having a sales increase. They still want to push the big profit makers.
June 06 2008 at 9:12 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyEven if the current Saturn doesn't sell well now a least it's bring in younger buyer to Saturn and GM brands.If Saturn does produce a full range RedLine models sales and image will benefit.Sharing with Opel-Vauxhall is great for Saturn and great for GM.
Can't wait to see the next Astra & Saab 9-1.
I tipped them on this story in AE three days ago and didn't get as much as a titter in return! Gits!
June 06 2008 at 8:57 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyI agree with what someone else said in another post. Can Saturn and just convert all of the dealerships to Opel dealerships. Or at the very least, can all of the American Saturn models and just mirror the Opel/Vauxhall lineup.
June 06 2008 at 8:52 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyI think Saturn's current lineup is great, but I don't want anymore original designs. (excluding the Outlook....That one's nice...)
Leave everything else to Opel.
"Or at the very least, can all of the American Saturn models and just mirror the Opel/Vauxhall lineup." - inteller
Umm, that's basically what they are doing. The Outlook is the only current Saturn that doesn't have an Opel counterpart.
Even though Opel has been a US nameplate in years past, I don't think it makes sense to re-introduce it and get rid of Saturn. People now know Saturn, it's been around long enough to be recognizable.
Opel, on the other hand, is fast fading from American's brains. For one, most people have fairly short memories and I'd venture to say that at least half of all Americans have no idea that Opels were ever sold here. Heck, a good number of them wouldn't even know that their Saturn is based on a European Opel as it is now.
Just because most of us posting here are car-savvy, we shouldn't over-estimate the American car-buying public.
The second major reason I have for keeping Saturn around is cost. GM cannot afford to dissolve one brand(didn't it cost over a Billion dollars to kill Olds?) while also devoting even more cash to start up another brand. That's a very tough idea to sell even to a strong automaker, much less a financially struggling one. Makes very little sense to me. I think so long as Satrn continues along their European-influenced designs and models, I think they will continue to get stronger in the US. Especially with other automakers(Ford) starting to look that direction for influence as well.
The Astra is not currently a volume car for Saturn, they expect to sell 15,000 to 20,000 in a year. This will change if production is moved to the U.S. and a sedan/wagon are added to the vehicle mix. Astra is now finally showing up on retailers lots, up until now the supply has been short. You will not pay MSRP for the vehicle if you visit a Saturn Retailer, there are allowances on the vehicle as there are allowances on all the Saturn models. No haggle pricing does not mean you pay MSRP it only means that for a like vehicle everyone pays the same price, there is a difference. it simplifies the process of buying and allows the consumer to make easy comparisions to the market. I drive a 5 sp XR 5 door, paid around $18,500 for the vehicle, it is well equipped, sunroof, loads of standard equipment, upgraded stereo and am averaging 32 MPG in combination driving. What is not to like about this car? Nothing!!!
June 06 2008 at 8:51 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down Replythe only gripe I would have is that it doesn't have Cobalt's drivetrain. Cobalt XFE has a 2.2L 5sp with 150hp. Its faster and more efficient than Astra, so GM has no reason not to install that engine in the Astra.
June 06 2008 at 9:04 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down Reply@ Frylock
The Astra gets better city MPG (24 for the Astra vs the Cobalt's 22), and the Cobalt is about as fast as the Astra, despite the huge torque advantage that the Cobalt has. And the 36MPG rating is for manual only, so the 36 MPG comes from gearing the transmission a bit on the tall side.