• May 29, 2008
Click above for high-res gallery of the Diesel Dually Tundra

Toyota has earned its reputation for producing fuel efficient vehicles, but one dent in the Japanese automaker's armor has been the gas-guzzling Tundra and Sequoia. To help rectify the situation, Toyota Engineers have been working hard on a 4.5L clean-diesel powerplant that will substantially improve fuel economy for the body-on-frame trucks. The 4.5L engine is reportedly scheduled to arrive Stateside by 2010, and it's a no-brainer in light of the fact that both Ford and GM are offering similarly sized oil-burners for their trucks and SUVs.

You may remember the Dually Tundra fantasy truck that was shown last year at SEMA. Well, this news means the mega-sized diesel may not be far from reality. Inside Line is also reporting that Toyota may be delivering a monstrous 7.0L diesel for a commercial-grade Tundra, with a possible production date around 2011-2012. Toyota still hasn't given the go-ahead for a heavy duty Tundra, so the king-sized diesel powerplant likely will arrive only if the larger Tundra does, too.


[Source: Inside Line]


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      Tugsuu
      • 2 Months Ago

      Hello

      Do you have 2013-14 Tundra for sale? Hi i am from Mongolia. We need to find a good trucks to travel around. If its available contact here - sonytugsuu@gmail.com. I want to know how much it costs and etc.

      Tugsuu
      • 2 Months Ago

      Hello

      Do you have 2013-14 Tundra for sale? Hi i am from Mongolia. We need to find a good trucks to travel around. If its available contact here - sonytugsuu@gmail.com. I want to know how much it costs and etc.

      • 6 Years Ago
      it always amazes me to see how many folks drink the diesel Kool-Aid.

      no, folks, diesels in big pickups don't get 30 MPG. depending on how you really drive, don't expect over 20, empty, if that.

      after owning five diesel trucks from every American manufacturer, I switched back to gasoline engines exclusively.

      I now have a Ram with the HEMI engine with MDS (cylinder deactivation). I am towing a 5,000 pound+ trailer all over the US about 90% of the time I use this vehicle. it's two years old, and is just shy of 95,000 miles.

      my average fuel economy while towing (I check every tank) is 17.2 MPG. my average MPG empty is 19.1 MPG. I've had the MPG as high as 21.9. by the way, the MPG towing is with all 8 cylinders working, as the MDS deactivates when towing.

      now, let's look at a diesel. to start, the average cost of the diesel engine is between $6,700-$8,000. on GM diesels, you'll also have to pony up for the Allison automatic transmission, which is over $2,000.

      and folks, don't forget; when you see those gauges stacked on the left A-pillar in a diesel pickup, this vehicle has most likely had a lot of modifications made. most of these trucks are getting about 12MPG (I always ask when I see them stopped). the first modification usually made is cranking up the injector pump. I've never seen any cases of adding additional fuel to an engine that increses fuel economy, have you?

      let's talk about repairs, too. since all the domestic diesels are built by outside manufacturers (Cummins for Dodge, Isuzu for GM, and Navistar for Ford), all parts are basically "double-dipped". what this means is that Navistar gets their markup, and Ford gets theirs, Cummins get their markup, and Dodge gets theirs, etc. parts are, needless to say, very expensive. there are very few of the most simple repairs that won't be at least $1,000.

      now, lets sum this up:

      -diesel option is very expensive.

      -diesel repairs are much more than a gasoline engine. your $25 oil change with a gasoline engine will now be $70-$90 with a diesel. "double-dipped" parts, too.

      -noise, smell, and smoke. don't get any diesel fuel on your shoes (it's easy to do), as your interior will now smell like diesel, too. the search for diesel in many parts of the country once you get off interstates.

      -higher fuel cost. expect to pay 80 cents to $1 more per gallon for diesel.

      -economy is about the same as a comparable gasoline engine.

      I had to laugh a few months ago when a neighbor borrowed my truck and trailer to rescue a friend that had a breakdown.

      lo and behold, a week later he came home with a new Dodge with the Cummins Diesel. I just talked to him two days ago, and he said he "was kinda disappointed' with the diesel, which is the new Bluetec version. apparently, there was been quite a few problems with this new version, and he's averaging about 14 MPG, empty.

      perhaps it would behoove Toyota (and Nissan and Ford) to adopt a simple cylinder deactivation system like Dodge and GM have done with their gasoline engines. it's a lot cheaper than having a diesel in many ways.

      AZMike
        • 6 Years Ago
        One thing to realize is these smaller diesels on their way out are very different from the diesels used in 2500/3500 trucks. They're being designed for gas mileage (like the older diesels) and to be a cheaper option. Unlike the current duramax/powerstroke/cummins, which are designed mostly for power. Think more a long the lines of the Mercedes diesel....a $1,000 option with ~30% better fuel economy.

        Personally, I have a '95 Suburban with the pre-duramax 6.5L diesel that I love. I get 22mpg pulling a 7,000lb trailer. My buddies newer gas suburban pulling a similar load gets about 13, even unloaded he is only getting about 17/18 highway. If the newer diesel gets similar or better mileage than my engine, I would buy another diesel suburban in a heartbeat.
        • 6 Years Ago
        If economy is about the same as a gasoline engine, there's something wrong with the diesel. Like it being hooked up to a 3/4 ton truck and the gas engine to a 1/2 ton.

        Getting 18-20 empty in a 3/4 ton is pretty good when the gas engine would be getting 15.

        On the rest of your points, dead on. Diesel is not a panacea for the consumer.

        For the federal requirements that mandate high miles per gallon without specifying a gallon of what, it's a godsend.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Dan,

        you might want to check the recent test of a Ford F350 diesel here on Autoblog a few weeks back. they reported 10 miles per gallon.

        AZMike
      • 6 Years Ago
      With diesel being nearly $1 more per gallon, the diesel advantage in mpg is almost a draw.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Diesel is essentially a waste product of refining gasoline, there was a time when no one wanted it and it was cheaper than tap water, now everyone wants it and it's as expensive as hell. Until renewable replacemnts come along the price of diesel is always going to be higher than gasolne because you get less of it out of a barrel. The up side is that bio-diesel is less of a pipe dream than bio-ethanol.
      • 6 Years Ago
      ""so AngeloD, are you saying that with increasing demand, the prices will go down?""

      Yep. The refiners will reconfigure to bias production towards the diesel side of the equation, and import refined diesel from overseas.

      Increasing demand can actually drop prices on some commodities as suppliers rush to fill the market.

      ""Another thing is...do you really seem them cutting gasoline production to make more diesel and then charging you less for it?""

      I don't see them cutting gasoline production very much. However, demand is already falling for it and supply stocks are high. This price bubble will burst soon.

      Carols Ray
      • 6 Years Ago
      That is such an AWESOME KICK @$$ DUALLY TUNDRA!!!
      • 6 Years Ago
      yes, it is, and I recently spoke to a Cummins Corporate guru who gave me some insight. I voiced my objection to the 4.2L V8 cummins being rated for 460 ft/lbs in a 1500 Ram. I would much rather get maximum fuel economy, and shoot for maybe 400 ft/lbs..because if you need more than that, you should be buying a 2500 anyway.

      According to him, the 4.2L was developed specifically with economy in mind. Once they got maximum fuel economy, THEN they upped the power as much as they could without sacrificing the efficiency.

      Also, "according to him" Cummins is ALSO developing a V6 version for the smaller trucks and Sprinters (to be able to get rid of the Benz diesels). I found this VERY interesting, as I had not heard ANYTHING about this yet...but he seemed to know his business when it came to Dodge, their engines, and their vehicle platforms....
      • 6 Years Ago
      4.5L, huh?

      Hmm...
      Mantion
      • 10 Months Ago
      Well **** me if it isn't 2014 and we still don't have a diesel pick up. GJ toyota way to not care
      • 6 Years Ago
      Hello,
      if you have a look at Toyotas overseas websites you already can find a brand new. 4.5 V8 D-4D CommonRail powerplant.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Mercedes doesn't sell a diesel with urea injection at this time.

        Bluetec urea injection

        The Bluetec, non-urea injection was 42-state legal. The Bluetec with urea injection is 50 state legal.
          • 6 Years Ago
          But they aren't offering it in the US yet!
        • 6 Years Ago
        Which doesn't meet Tier 2 Bin 5 and is thus irrelevant for the US market.
      • 6 Years Ago
      I would love to see Toyota take this one step further and offer a two-stage diesel hybrid in the Sequoia. Use the electric motors for highway cruising. They could probably get somewhere in the mid to upper 30's in MPG for the highway.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Electric assist hybrids are just dead weight on the highway.

        Any mileage improvements you see there against a conventional car are coming from the narrow, low traction tires and aerodynamic tweaks.

        Or on the EPA treadmilll test, coming from the fact they aren't trying to simulate constant speed cruise.

        With a diesel you might be able to get this beast to 30mpg on dead flat pavement at 40mph.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Diesel electric hybrid would be completely uneconomical. First, a diesel engine that meets Tier 2 Bin 5 emissions standard costs at least $3000 more than a gas engine of comparable power. The Tahoe 2-mode hybrid is approximately $10,000 more expensive than the non-hybrid model. Add in the diesel engine, and the initial cost is even greater.

        Further more, the main area where hybrids give added efficiency is in the city, with a lot of stop and go traffic. Gas engines are particularly uneconomical when idling. So the Prius uses a very economical atkinson cycle engine on the highway, shuts off the gas engine at idle, and uses the high torque electric motor to add torque when accelerating from a stop.

        In contrast, diesel engines are much more efficient than gas engines at the idle. Diesel engines have much more torque than gas engines. So while the electric motor dovetails nicely with the weaknesses of the atkinson cycle engine, it is mostly duplicative of the strengths of the diesel engine. Consequently, I doubt that a diesel hybrid will really have that much added benefits over a simple diesel.
      • 6 Years Ago
      At the risk of sounding like an ass, I'm just going to say it. That is still one ugly truck. No diesel engine is going to make it look more attractive.
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