• May 21, 2008
With the 2010 Camaro just a couple months from being unveiled in production trim, GM is conducting focus groups with fanatics that it aims to please. Forum poster OctaneZ28 from 5thGen was on-site at the General's Milford Proving Grounds recently for the second such focus group and is now telling the world as much as he can about the soon-to-be-released bow-tie pony car. So far he's as giddy as a school boy. Since OctaneZ28 is a true die-hard Camaro fan, it's hard to consider his opinions objective, but he's posted some things from the focus group that we find interesting.

First off, he mentions driving both the V6 and V8 models, and he calls the 3.6L version a real sleeper. Does that mean the base engine could be direct-inject version with more horsepower? OctaneZ28 also mentions the production convertible, which is said to keep the form of the coupe and is the most researched drop-top in the history of GM. That's weighty stuff. Lastly, the six- and eight-cylinder models will be heavily differentiated, and there will be 10 colors available for the car. It may seem like forever and a day since the first Camaro concept bowed in Detroit, but now that we're in the home stretch, all that waiting looks to be paying off.


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      • 6 Years Ago
      Poor GM, they can't catch a break. They quit making one of their iconic brands 8 years ago when gas was (relatively) cheap and then when they finally figure out they really do need to sell a Camaro they launch it into the teeth of $4/gallon gas. They really need to find a leader who knows something about the automotive marketplace or they're just going to keep shooting themself in the foot.
      • 6 Years Ago
      THis was not just some publicity stunt as I know several of the people involved and their intent was to give the public and Camaro fans what they want.

      Chevy and the Camaro group have spent a lot of time and effort to listen to the enthusiast and build a car the not just meets there expectations but exceeds them.

      The other key was to build a V6 car that would be accepted as the regular model and not as a entry level only.

      You will see a 300+ HP 3.6 DI in this car with performance that nearly meets the performance of the others V8. You will see an effort to get this car to near 30 MPG in V6 trim.

      The SS V8 will be a LS3 400+ HP with a Tremec T66 Standard 6 speed available.

      The Z28 will follow with a intercooled Supercharger and will see over 500 HP. It will be about a year later unless they move it up.

      This is not going to be a car that single handed save GM but it will show people what they can do and will be one more step back just as the Maliu, CTS, Saturns, G8, Arcadia, HHR SS, ZR1 and Kappa cars all have been.

      Lutz and his teams have had few misses at a time they do not need them. In tough times to come we now have the right people and staff to pull off things like the Volt. The engineer and designers are empowered to do what they can and it shows.
        • 6 Years Ago
        With a Hybrid system and a turbo 4 I would expect under the right conditions the city mileage will improve over the V6 and the highway would be 30 MPG or a little over.

        Otherwise GM would not be working on it now. Note I said the V6 would be near 30 MPG not over.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Hey guys, great feedback.

      First off let me address the gas mileage issue. It is a big deal considering the gas prices, and GM is well aware.
      Camaro is in company with Mustang and Challenger having the same gas mileage concerns, and Camaro will be a leader in MPG.

      Secondly, on the V6 and V8 looking different... nobody, and I mean nobody will be disappointed. The V6 model is NOT a dumbed-down look in the least. All buyers will be happy with the looks.

      Thirdly, the interior. It's a modern car with a blend of new design with heritage cues. This car will not rely on Camaro heritage to sell, but rather will rely on its own design. There are cues from the first generation, but it's definitely a new design, and that is reflected on the interior as well as the exterior.

      And finally, I'd like to stress the attention to detail put on this car. This is not some cheaply thrown-together car. They've gone over everything with utmost attention to every fine detail.
      That being said, this car is still going to come in at a Chevrolet price, meaning it's going to be a great value.

      Hope this helped address some concerns!

      OctaneZ28
      5thGen.org
        • 6 Years Ago
        The picture of the interior i have seen looks like crap. The only good gas mileage GM gets is in front wheel drive cars. It will be no different than the Mustang or Challenger with a V6 in it.
        • 6 Years Ago
        I want to know what you mean by "fuel economy leader". Don't get me wrong, if you can get a good 22 mpg combined out of the 'Maro I'd be ecstatic and seriously consider one, but at 3700 lbs or so and 20 overall on the current G8 forgive me for being a bit pessimistic on the fuel economy.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Thanks for the info and follow-up Octane - looking forward to seeing the new Camaro on dealer lots in the near future.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Why would they tell a focus group this was the most researched drop-top in the history of GM? No one needs to know this in order to make up their mind about a car.

      Sounds like GM is using the focus groups as an advertising outlet.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Sounds like GM is focusing it's focus groups.
        • 6 Years Ago
        It's not a ad for a commercial or something, that's the kind of information that would be relevant to such a focus group. It's like the claim about the C5 Hardtop being the stiffest Corvette ever.... A "nice to know" bit of information.
        • 6 Years Ago
        is it gonna be a retractable hardtop?
        • 6 Years Ago
        Stiffest car ever affects you. It affects the handling. Most researched drop-top doesn't have any obvious effects. It useless information.
      • 6 Years Ago
      OctaneZ28--

      You say 'I'd like to stress the attention to detail put on this car. This is not some cheaply thrown-together car.'

      Maybe not. But the hoods, doors and decklids better fit better on final production than the rear shot in the fourth thmbnail at the bottom of the column.
      • 6 Years Ago
      I am curious about mileage figures. While looking for a new convertible I looked at Mustangs, with six cylinder engines only to discover 19/26 mileage figures.

      So if the Camaro does come out in 2010 it will be up against even higher fuel prices.
        • 6 Years Ago
        How to get 200 mpg from your Camaro, Mustang or Challenger!!!

        http://rexresearch.com/pogue/1pogue.htm#article

        Now where do I find the carburetor on this thing?

        • 6 Years Ago
        Neat. The focus group is full of balding middle aged men. Who'd have thought?

        HAhahaha. Subaru is going to be getting my money, nice try though Chevy.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Vintage,

        Have you ever seen a Subaru focus group? I would bet its full of soccer moms and balding 30 year olds with "artsy" glasses.
      • 6 Years Ago
      The Camaro's interior has already been shot numerous times. It's retro and stylish just as the exterior is. It also uses much of the same trim and high-res displays from the same suppliers as the new CTS.

      This isn't advertising by GM. This event is something Autoblog decided to post about off of a Camaro forum.

      Octane is a moderator over at ls1tech. There have been a few of these held by GM and they include people from popular GM and Camaro sites as well as places like ls1gto.com.

      GM has people regularly reading those sites for feedback as well as these focus group events allowing enthusaists to drive the car and tell the engineers directly what they want to see. It's very exciting.

      • 6 Years Ago
      Although the new Camaro has been a long time in coming with more teases than a stripper, it actually looks like GM might get this right.

      You have to give GM kudos for putting so much thought and effort into the Malibu, which by every measure is as good as the Camry and Accord (at least from a design standpoint, if not QDR). So if they put that kind of effort into the Camaro, we're looking at something really special.

      • 6 Years Ago
      I am so anxious for this car to get here !! But the real performance models are STILL at least a year away. Keep sending us the info like this post, the hype and rumors don't bother serious performance fans.
        • 6 Years Ago
        That's what I was wondering.

        My guess is the models will fall along the same lines they did previously.

        Base Camaro = Base Mustang
        RS = Mustang Pony Package
        Z/28 = Mustang GT
        SS = Mustang GT500(previously the Cobra)
        ZL-1(if they revive the name) = Mustang GT500KR

        As before(and matching the Mustang), I assume that beyond the RS, the engines will be V-8's, at least initially.

        I'm unsure about the Z/28 engine. The 6.0L(362HP)V-8 used in the G8 would be plenty to counter the 300HP GT, but knowing GM, they may opt for the 6.2L(403HP) right off the bat.

        Also, the base engine is still kind of an unknown as well. I don't expect the DI 3.6L initially since it is more expensive to build and I think is still production-limited also. Instead, expect the non-DI 3.6L or possibly a 280-300HP version of the Ecotec Turbo.

        As far as the others, I think a 505HP LS7 will be offered in the SS and a 550HP(or so) LSA for the ZL-1, probably the same as the CTS-V engine.

        These are just my guesses.
        • 6 Years Ago
        There will be a real performance model at launch. Probably an SS with a 400 horsepower LS3. You'll just have to wait a while longer for a GT500 fighter Z28.
        • 6 Years Ago
        since when is the z28 positioned above the SS?
      • 6 Years Ago
      "the six- and eight-cylinder models will be heavily differentiated"

      BOOO. Oh well, not that surprising, seems like all sports cars are like that (Mustang, Charger, Challenger). If you want the cool looking car you have to get the expensive V8 model, otherwise you're stuck with the weenie-looking V6 version. Guess it just helps upsell the more expensive models, and strokes the egos of those can afford them.
        • 6 Years Ago
        I always end up preferring the look of the "weenie" versions anyway. Less cluttered with tacky, plastic, bolt-on crap.
      • 6 Years Ago
      I'm hoping for the following powertrain choices
      Base Engine 3.6L SIDI V6 300+hp
      Base Optional 6.0L L76 360hp (ala the G8)
      Base Optional 2.0L SIDI TT I4 LNF 260hp
      Z28 430hp LS3
      SS 550+hp LSA or 638hp LS9.

      And it would be absolutely amazing if GM offered a boosted atlas I6 to the tune of 450hp.
        • 6 Years Ago
        I doubt the base version will have that much hp.

        Base: 3.6 or 3.9 260ish hp
        Optional: L76, LS3, LS7 (crosses fingers)
      • 6 Years Ago
      My only question is how the interior would look.

      And re: fuel economy, the CTS with the 3.6 already gets 16/25 (MPFI) or 18/26 mpg (DI), so the Camaro would likely be the same. And this in a V6 with 45 to 90 more HP than the 4.0 V6 in the Mustang. I'm sure that with some changes in gearing and software calibrations, the Camaro coupe and convertible could do better than the CTS, making it much more viable.

      In any case, I'd bet that most buyers would stick with the V6 option and be ok with it... and the bigger question is if GM will stick the 260 hp 2.0 I4 DI turbo (19/28) as well.
        • 6 Years Ago
        There is no way the 4 cyl is getting those mileage figures in the heavier camaro.
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