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<generator>Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/</generator><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Audi and BMW to utilize 8-speed gearboxes to take on Lexus]]></title><link>http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/12/audi-and-bmw-to-utilize-8-speed-gearboxes-to-take-on-lexus/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/12/audi-and-bmw-to-utilize-8-speed-gearboxes-to-take-on-lexus/</guid><description><![CDATA[Dumb question (I'm honestly ignorant on this topic; is there a point where adding "gears" becomes less effective (both performance and efficiency wise) then employing a CVT?  Is that where we are headed?]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Josiah]]></dc:creator><pubDate>May 12th 2008 3:02PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Audi and BMW to utilize 8-speed gearboxes to take on Lexus]]></title><link>http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/12/audi-and-bmw-to-utilize-8-speed-gearboxes-to-take-on-lexus/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/12/audi-and-bmw-to-utilize-8-speed-gearboxes-to-take-on-lexus/</guid><description><![CDATA[Current CVTs may be torque limited...]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Harley]]></dc:creator><pubDate>May 12th 2008 3:14PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Audi and BMW to utilize 8-speed gearboxes to take on Lexus]]></title><link>http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/12/audi-and-bmw-to-utilize-8-speed-gearboxes-to-take-on-lexus/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/12/audi-and-bmw-to-utilize-8-speed-gearboxes-to-take-on-lexus/</guid><description><![CDATA[I'm not sure, but please use commas instead of parens.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark]]></dc:creator><pubDate>May 12th 2008 3:50PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Audi and BMW to utilize 8-speed gearboxes to take on Lexus]]></title><link>http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/12/audi-and-bmw-to-utilize-8-speed-gearboxes-to-take-on-lexus/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/12/audi-and-bmw-to-utilize-8-speed-gearboxes-to-take-on-lexus/</guid><description><![CDATA[Yes it does, and if companies would invest the amount of money it takes to develop a new gearbox into a CVT, it wouldn't take that long to develop one that isn't torque limited.  There are applications using hydraulics that can be used but their weight is an issue and they aren't as efficient as using the belt system in current CVTs because of fluid losses in compressing the hydraulic fluids.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Carlos]]></dc:creator><pubDate>May 12th 2008 3:39PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Audi and BMW to utilize 8-speed gearboxes to take on Lexus]]></title><link>http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/12/audi-and-bmw-to-utilize-8-speed-gearboxes-to-take-on-lexus/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/12/audi-and-bmw-to-utilize-8-speed-gearboxes-to-take-on-lexus/</guid><description><![CDATA[Yes, and there are several diminishing returns:<br>more gears in the same space = smaller gears = less durable. more gears = more shifting = increased wear on clutch packs and shift mechanisms. more gears = car is always shifting = unsettling driving experience for those used to a more normal amount of shifts. more gears = more shifting = higher transmission temps from more frequent activity = shorter lifespan or need for additional cooling capacity.<br>and the list goes on...]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[yacoub]]></dc:creator><pubDate>May 12th 2008 4:09PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Audi and BMW to utilize 8-speed gearboxes to take on Lexus]]></title><link>http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/12/audi-and-bmw-to-utilize-8-speed-gearboxes-to-take-on-lexus/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/12/audi-and-bmw-to-utilize-8-speed-gearboxes-to-take-on-lexus/</guid><description><![CDATA[Thank god vacoub is not an engineer at an automaker anywhere. Or we be driving 1 speed automatics with his logic.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Johnny]]></dc:creator><pubDate>May 12th 2008 4:20PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Audi and BMW to utilize 8-speed gearboxes to take on Lexus]]></title><link>http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/12/audi-and-bmw-to-utilize-8-speed-gearboxes-to-take-on-lexus/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/12/audi-and-bmw-to-utilize-8-speed-gearboxes-to-take-on-lexus/</guid><description><![CDATA[^^^^why is that a bad thing? I still want a regular manual option though. Slower, heavier, ancient, I still want it]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[pmiddle5]]></dc:creator><pubDate>May 12th 2008 4:31PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Audi and BMW to utilize 8-speed gearboxes to take on Lexus]]></title><link>http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/12/audi-and-bmw-to-utilize-8-speed-gearboxes-to-take-on-lexus/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/12/audi-and-bmw-to-utilize-8-speed-gearboxes-to-take-on-lexus/</guid><description><![CDATA[If you look at the top fuel misers you'll see they all use CVTs or 4 to 5 speed boxes.  I suspect the 8 speed auto is driven by the marketing guys, not the engineers.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Disgruntled Goat]]></dc:creator><pubDate>May 12th 2008 5:01PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Audi and BMW to utilize 8-speed gearboxes to take on Lexus]]></title><link>http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/12/audi-and-bmw-to-utilize-8-speed-gearboxes-to-take-on-lexus/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/12/audi-and-bmw-to-utilize-8-speed-gearboxes-to-take-on-lexus/</guid><description><![CDATA[CVT's generally have higher drive line losses than conventional transmissions.  <br><br>Pmiddle - manual transmissions are typically lighter than an automatic of equal gears.  Manuals can be faster than their auto counterparts as well but it requires an experienced driver rather than just placing a brick on the gas.  ]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Derek]]></dc:creator><pubDate>May 12th 2008 9:21PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Audi and BMW to utilize 8-speed gearboxes to take on Lexus]]></title><link>http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/12/audi-and-bmw-to-utilize-8-speed-gearboxes-to-take-on-lexus/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/12/audi-and-bmw-to-utilize-8-speed-gearboxes-to-take-on-lexus/</guid><description><![CDATA[There's that old standby called the law of deminishing returns.  Whatever happened to the KISS theory?]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Mal Fuller]]></dc:creator><pubDate>May 12th 2008 6:47PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Audi and BMW to utilize 8-speed gearboxes to take on Lexus]]></title><link>http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/12/audi-and-bmw-to-utilize-8-speed-gearboxes-to-take-on-lexus/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/12/audi-and-bmw-to-utilize-8-speed-gearboxes-to-take-on-lexus/</guid><description><![CDATA[@Johnny - He could also be implying diminishing or non-existent returns after so many gears.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Joel]]></dc:creator><pubDate>May 12th 2008 7:03PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Audi and BMW to utilize 8-speed gearboxes to take on Lexus]]></title><link>http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/12/audi-and-bmw-to-utilize-8-speed-gearboxes-to-take-on-lexus/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/12/audi-and-bmw-to-utilize-8-speed-gearboxes-to-take-on-lexus/</guid><description><![CDATA[@Johnny: Was clearly talking about the recent rise of 7+ gear transmissions. @__@]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[yacoub]]></dc:creator><pubDate>May 13th 2008 11:10AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Audi and BMW to utilize 8-speed gearboxes to take on Lexus]]></title><link>http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/12/audi-and-bmw-to-utilize-8-speed-gearboxes-to-take-on-lexus/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/12/audi-and-bmw-to-utilize-8-speed-gearboxes-to-take-on-lexus/</guid><description><![CDATA[Nice, but won't Lexus come out with a 10-speed the year after then? You know how they wanna be "superior" and all...]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Seanross]]></dc:creator><pubDate>May 12th 2008 3:03PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Audi and BMW to utilize 8-speed gearboxes to take on Lexus]]></title><link>http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/12/audi-and-bmw-to-utilize-8-speed-gearboxes-to-take-on-lexus/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/12/audi-and-bmw-to-utilize-8-speed-gearboxes-to-take-on-lexus/</guid><description><![CDATA[I'm just curius, but has anyone driven one of the Lexus' models with the 8-speed tranny? Does it feel like a normal transmission or can you tell a difference?]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[unsure]]></dc:creator><pubDate>May 12th 2008 3:05PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Audi and BMW to utilize 8-speed gearboxes to take on Lexus]]></title><link>http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/12/audi-and-bmw-to-utilize-8-speed-gearboxes-to-take-on-lexus/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/12/audi-and-bmw-to-utilize-8-speed-gearboxes-to-take-on-lexus/</guid><description><![CDATA[my friend has a gs460 with the 8 speed trans. it feels smoother than the 6 speed. the power comes very quickly and smoothly. ]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddie]]></dc:creator><pubDate>May 12th 2008 3:22PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Audi and BMW to utilize 8-speed gearboxes to take on Lexus]]></title><link>http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/12/audi-and-bmw-to-utilize-8-speed-gearboxes-to-take-on-lexus/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/12/audi-and-bmw-to-utilize-8-speed-gearboxes-to-take-on-lexus/</guid><description><![CDATA[We recently bought the ISF with the 8 speed auto. Its great. Very smooth and the power is always there. At 70mph it turns 2100 rpm on the hwy.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Amber]]></dc:creator><pubDate>May 12th 2008 3:46PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Audi and BMW to utilize 8-speed gearboxes to take on Lexus]]></title><link>http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/12/audi-and-bmw-to-utilize-8-speed-gearboxes-to-take-on-lexus/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/12/audi-and-bmw-to-utilize-8-speed-gearboxes-to-take-on-lexus/</guid><description><![CDATA[In Car and Driver's recent comparison of the M3 Sedan and IS-F, they said the 8 speed transmission was too much.<br><br>"...the eight ratios felt like too many, and in the twisties, we frequently found ourselves glancing at the gear indicator in the gauge cluster to discern which cog we were in."<br><br>Makes sense to me. 6 is really about all you need, I think- 4 close ratios for fun stuff, then gears 5 and 6 for long distance, high speed, low RPM cruising. 8? Really? I hope this pissing contest just ends soon. It's pointless. Just give us a 6 speed manual!]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[JD]]></dc:creator><pubDate>May 12th 2008 3:47PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Audi and BMW to utilize 8-speed gearboxes to take on Lexus]]></title><link>http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/12/audi-and-bmw-to-utilize-8-speed-gearboxes-to-take-on-lexus/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/12/audi-and-bmw-to-utilize-8-speed-gearboxes-to-take-on-lexus/</guid><description><![CDATA[I own an LS-460 and after driving all of the German offerings I was convinced the 8 speed transmission was the best of the group. The people who say it "hunts" too much simply don't know how to get the best from the car. Depending on how you drive It engages 1 of 2 shift patterns. If you drive hard it will give you all the power when you ask for it (shifts alot). If however, you drive with a little more restrain, you will find yourself in a pleasant nirvana of holding high gears and only downshifting when you mean it to. It shifts in 160ms and that is plenty fast for me. P.S. I admit to its complete lack of steering feel.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[AM]]></dc:creator><pubDate>May 12th 2008 7:49PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Audi and BMW to utilize 8-speed gearboxes to take on Lexus]]></title><link>http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/12/audi-and-bmw-to-utilize-8-speed-gearboxes-to-take-on-lexus/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/12/audi-and-bmw-to-utilize-8-speed-gearboxes-to-take-on-lexus/</guid><description><![CDATA[I hope this BMW trans will be better than the one (a GM 5 sp. automatic built in France) in my 2000 3series which are to this day self-destructing anywhere greater than 40K miles.  I hope ZF does a better job than the GM transmission unit.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve in TN]]></dc:creator><pubDate>May 12th 2008 3:06PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Audi and BMW to utilize 8-speed gearboxes to take on Lexus]]></title><link>http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/12/audi-and-bmw-to-utilize-8-speed-gearboxes-to-take-on-lexus/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/12/audi-and-bmw-to-utilize-8-speed-gearboxes-to-take-on-lexus/</guid><description><![CDATA[of course, man<br><br>look at the ZF auto transmission in the 335i<br><br>fantastic auto<br><br>they only use the getrag ones in the lower models (328i?)<br><br>and I think even those ones have been improved]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[IK47]]></dc:creator><pubDate>May 12th 2008 3:25PM</pubDate></item></channel></rss>