• May 1, 2008
Honda has finally issued a TSB on the third gear issue that's been plaguing everything from the Civic Si to the Acura TL. According to affected owners, when the manual transmission was in third gear, it would occasionally pop into neutral and occasionally grind into place. Honda originally didn't recognize the problem and still isn't issuing a recall, but they have put out a TSB and are offering to correct the problem free of charge to owners who take their vehicle into a dealership. The documentation for Honda and Acura is now available (PDF warning) and you can hit the jump to see which vehicles are included in the TSB.

[Source: AutomotiveArticles via KickingTires]

  • 2003-07 Honda Accord V-6 with M/T
  • 2008 Accord V-6 coupe with M/T
  • 2006-08 Civic Si coupe
  • 2007-08 Civic Si sedan
  • 2003 Acura 3.2CL with M/T
  • 2002-06 Acura RSX with six-speed
  • 2004-08 Acura TL with M/T


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      • 6 Years Ago
      I'm taking my 08 TL-S in on Monday for this. Of course, when I rode along with the tech, he couldnt duplicate it. I drive it with him and it happened for me 1 time, thank geebus.
      • 6 Years Ago
      PDF Warning ... what is that, the Spoiler Alert for the one guy who hasn't watch this week-end's Grand Prix and still hasn't installed Acrobat?
      • 6 Years Ago
      What is a flange bolt, and why does the PDF say that approximately 45,000 of them need to be replaced when swapping out the third-gear set? Well, maybe not 45,000, but at least an entire page-worth of part numbers. What gives? Also, does this mean that affected vehicles will be getting a 'free' transmission fluid flush/change due to the parts swap?
      • 6 Years Ago
      You do know that if this was a GM, Ford or Chrysler it would be front page news in every paper in the US. But, being it's Honda or some other foreign brand it's OK.

      Typical. Had a 93 Grand Am stick with 193,000 and it finally died. The engine that is.
      • 6 Years Ago
      That's funny I had the exact same problem with my 2003 VW Jetta 6 speed manual. VW had the same solution, issue a TSB, it is not life threatening.

      They fixed it for the 2004's and later I think.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Weird, my 91 Accord does that too.
      • 6 Years Ago
      didn't I tell you Hondas are not reliable...
        • 6 Years Ago

        This is such a minor problem.

        Honda addressed the issue; all cars are still under warranty.

        It's a free fix; the only issue is time. STFU, haters. Better yet, come to the track (not that puss*-*ss drag racing crap either. REAL driving).
      • 6 Years Ago
      Quality reputation takes a hit.
      • 6 Years Ago
      FINALLY! BUT, the next big problem is getting dealerships to recognize the problem and fix it. So many of them continue to deny the fix because they cannot "replicate" the issue.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Just called my dealer....I explained I had a third gear issue that presented itself most often in cold weather.

        He says, wow, I have never heard of that...I say to myself...here we go...

        I bought the car new there. So he asked me if I had all my service done at the dealer. I said, no, I do all the oil changes myself. (Mobil 1) He said, wow, you missed two huge services...

        I said, well, my car has 46k miles and I am almost sure you will not be able to replicate it until the cold weather... so what happens if I return this winter and I am out of warranty? He doesn't have an answer for me. And I could tell he just wanted me off the phone. I said, well, I will drop it off so it can sit overnight, can I have a loaner? He said, sure, if you want to pay for it. UGH

        I said since I need to play musical cars I will get back to you...he finally sounded pleased to talk to me when he said, "okay, goodbye!"

        This should be interesting....

        Chris
          • 6 Years Ago
          I'm in a similar situation, except I've had my car serviced at the dealership for all of it's 31 thousand miles.

          I've complained about the clutch several times before and they switched out in the new Honda manual transmission fluid (MTF) a two months ago. It didn't solve the grinding, although it did help make it less prevalent. I went to the dealership 2 weeks ago and asked for the TSB. My service advisor claimed he didn't know about it, but another advisor overheard my concerns and jumped in to say that he verified it on another Si, but that they're not offering it unless it's consistent/constant grinding.

          I later learned from another Si owner who had gone to the same dealership for the fix and had their transmission and he came out of it worse than before. He still had the grinding and even greater difficulty engaging in all the gears.

          My dealership called me yesterday and said they needed to keep my car another day to test the clutch. It's been 4 days now and I would think they could replicate it in the morning.
      • 6 Years Ago
      If you are out of warranty, you can still ask the dealer to request "goodwill" from Honda and they may elect to cover the 3rd gear repair, or at least a portion of it.

      This is clearly stated in the bulletin.

      Examples include (1) Car warranty expired recently (2) you have numerous complaints about the issue on record and are out of warranty.
      mojojojo1961
      • 1 Year Ago
      After my episode the other morning where my vehicle was almost rear ended it struck me this is a SAFETY issue ! Honda is a great company and makes some of the best vehicles and products on earth but poop happens even with all the robotics it is humans that design and engineer these vehicle and defects occur . What puzzles me is why so many owners that have this issue not only in the listed vehicles on TSB 08-020 my best friend has a 2005 Honda S2000 and his vehicle has done it multiple times when I have driven it , This can be addressed by registering a case with NTSB 1-888-327-4235 have your VIN number mileage and any history related to vehicle \"popping\" out of third of notchy engagement . The NTSB will lean on them investigate individual cases and help turn it into a recall which will prevent denial based on date of first use and mileage . My parts are ordered and are on back order which means one of two things a lot are needed or they are manufacturing new kits and can\"t keep up with demand . For those in the North East brave the storm and stay warm
      • 6 Years Ago
      Shame shame on you Honda. Letting this drag this long and having so many owners affected. Also, this was on the Si, which people are paying big bucks... tsk tsk. Maybe they'll be a little quicker to correct issues, now that the domestic are creeping up on their rear view mirrors on reliability.
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