• Apr 27, 2008
Click above for more high resolution shots of the 2009 Cadillac CTS-V

When the Cadillac CTS-V and Corvette ZR1 were introduced in Detroit, they both had nice, round horsepower figures that look good in a press release. Last week, GM restated the output of the ZR1, raising it from 620 ponies to 638, which is an increase of about 3 understatement from the ZR1 to peg the CTS-V's real horsepower number at 567.

While Inside Line's 567-hp hypothesis was based on the fact that the CTS-V has the same basic engine as the ZR1, 567 is nothing more than a well-placed dart on the horsepower pinwheel. When we talked with GM's Ron Meegan, he pointed out that there were several differences between the two powerplants, including the length of the rotors in the Eaton Supercharger. While adding 3% to 550 sounds logical, there is likely more to it than that. But as is the case when making a guess, they may actually be right, too. Whether the final output is 550 or 567 hp or somewhere in between really doesn't matter, as anything in the 550 range represents an absolutely ludicrous tally that will surely catapult the CTS-V to the stratosphere of sports sedans. We can't wait to take one for a spin.



[Source: Inside Line]


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      • 6 Years Ago
      Good for Caddilac. I am sure it will be great for the bench racers, and the badge-officionados that can afford the car.

      The thing badly needs the D3 front end treament, with the regular CTS grille treated with mesh, the dinky CTS-V grille doesn't "mesh" with the design very well.

      Personally, I think there should be a model between the nice V6, and the -V monster.

      A 350-400hp Northstar powered version, with manual or dual-clutch automated manual transmission and sport suspension package, or Automatic with lux bent.

      The CTS V6 is reported to be a very nice engine in a very nice car. It seems like a great 'base' for a luxury sport sedan.

      The -V seems interesting, but almost too manic to be a car that one takes to the shops and on trips, and risks getting door dings.

      A middle-option V8 (even with AWD optional) would seem like a natural compromize.

      Sorry, but if someone wants a garage-queen to take out on nice days and to car shows, and show off, wouldn't that be a lighter, sportier, and sexier coupe? Why not just get a Corvette, or an XLR-V?

      I don't begrudge the CTS-V it's existence, but I would much rather have a real-world sedan to take the door-dings, and a sexy sports car for the thrill of it. One could probably buy examples of both for the price of a CTS-V.
        • 6 Years Ago
        The same thing can be said for the M5 and AMG series super-sedans. This car is for people who already have a daily driver and want something fast that can also be driven to a nice restaurant with a couple of friends. It's by no means practical. It is meant to be a luxury car with the capability of a Corvette combined with a few extra seats to carry a handful of terrified spectators as you spin the tires into second.
      • 6 Years Ago
      shouldn't this just fall under the blanket statement of "in excess of 550hp"
      after all there will always be some variables, and you don't want to overestimate since then you get complaints about the product not living up to it's claims

      if 550 is a deal breaker, but 567 closes, then maybe you should also buy a turbonator

      • 6 Years Ago
      I thought that Caddy was using a H.O. version of their Northstar V8, and not the Chevy mill used in the Corvette?

      The article says that the CTS engine is basically the Z engine in the vette.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Fuzzy logic controls everything at Clueless Motors, That's why they are, well clueless!
        • 6 Years Ago
        You're not funny, get off the stage!
        • 6 Years Ago
        Pretty sure it was Edmund's fuzzy math, not the General's... or Al Gore's for that matter...
      • 6 Years Ago
      This car is the very definition of bad-ass.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Here's the Fuzzy Logic...Why would anyone buy one, when the resale value is that of a Ugo. That goes for 99.5% of American Cars.
        • 6 Years Ago
        LOL macdoc

        You could at least spell Yugo correctly if you're going to use it in a completely illogical comparison.

        • 6 Years Ago
        Maybe because they like it and could care less about resale value.

        I know, for me, resale value doesn't even come into my mind when I'm buying a new car.
        • 6 Years Ago
        i know this sounds crazy, but some people buy cars to NOT resell them.

        and back up to Greg: yeah that 306-550+ gap (~244) is huge, in fact the gap itself is as much as many sedans get today (200+ hp). IMO they should drop the non DI v6 and start with the DI as the entry engine. a na 8 for the next step and then the blower for top of the line.
      • 6 Years Ago
      nice --- but I will keep my 2008 Z06 thank you very much.

      Lets assume it does roll into a dealership with 570+HP. It's going to weigh a LOT LOT more then a Z06.

      When I buy a 500HP+ car, I don't care about all the mega luxury items that this thing will have. And yes, I do have a Z06 sitting right below me in my garage.

      I can see this caddy as being the compromise for the husband who's wife won't let them get a Z06 and has to have 4 doors "for the kids".
        • 6 Years Ago
        I don't think the 3% makes much difference. In any condition other than the track 550hp in a 4500lbs sedan is so fast and responsive 3%has no real meaning. You auto mag writers will have great time comparing it to the M5, Mercedes black etc.
        A few lucky people will get to own and drive one.
        The jealous ones will make snide comments.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Nah, they're using the LS9, only detuned and with a smaller supercharger. It's called the LSA. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that GM is going to start phasing the Northstar out in the near future
        • 6 Years Ago
        This was a reply to Gary, stupid broken reply button.
      • 6 Years Ago
      I personally think that posting something like that is a bad idea on GM's part. No one was expecting an 18 hp bump from the ZR-1's number. Reading this, most people will expect that number. I'd rather wait until GM gives me the number instead of an estimate based on what another car did.
        • 6 Years Ago
        And the GT-R VSPEC still beats the ZR-1 on the 'Ring.



        • 6 Years Ago
        You are so right. I so expected the CTS-v to get the same 18 hp boost, but since it is only projected to get a 17 hp boost, I am going to cancel my order right now. I NEED that 1 extra hp.....
      • 6 Years Ago
      It's probably going to make more than 550, granted. But, it's going to be rated at 550/550 because the numbers are nice and round. Its already rated at 550+ on the Caddy website, and I personally like the '+', it adds character.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Dude I'm all for ridiculing Presuhdent Bush but do it right: he pronounces it "nuke you lur", not nuke lee lur. And why does the speed of a carrier matter to anyone?? I thought they they sat 200 miles away from the their targets and sent fighter bombers in. You're just craptastic like a Chrysler reveal huh champ.
        • 6 Years Ago
        'Well I for one am NOT in favor on ripping on the President'

        You mean republican president right?
        • 6 Years Ago
        Mobius, if you said the dyno broke, they'd only say, see, crappy GM dyno. And Gargamello, the speed of a carrier matters because a carrier has to be in place before it can launch. Ask Chester Nimitz about that one...
        • 6 Years Ago
        Much like my old navy days.
        The USS Enterprise. First nucleeeeler (rip on George Bush)aircraft carrier ahead of it's time. Capable of 33+ knots. Actual speed classified.
          • 6 Years Ago
          Walter Mondale couldn't pronounce "nuclear" correctly either. BTW, thank you for your service to our country. It's a shame that the Big E will be replaced by the Gerald Ford. Huh? What is the Navy brass thinking?
        • 6 Years Ago
        I like the + as well

        GM could say: It's so powerful, the dyno broke when we went up to 550 hp
      • 6 Years Ago
      Mind is blown.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Every insurance company underwriter in NA just read this article and adjusted premiums accordingly.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Gargamello, why is it that when people want to criticize performance car enthusiasts, they go straight for the male appendage analogy? I think that fixation says more about the critic than the enthusiast. Though speaking of which, the hood on that Alfa looks awfully phallic, doesn't it?
        • 6 Years Ago
        True dat, he is a tool, and you will be burned by the insurance companies for buying this car, after you are burned by the finance companies, and the oil companies, and the dealership, and the tire companies, and basically everyone but yo mama.

        All to overcompensate for a tiny tiny penis eh.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Yes - because 550 HP was completely reasonable. 567 HP is just over the limit of what insurance companies will raise premiums at. I am pretty sure that they actually consider 566 to be the limit of what is an economy car.
        • 6 Years Ago
        I was actually thinking the same thing... most people think 550hp in a relatively light car is normal.... a corolla has a similar number doesn't it?

        You are a tool... anything over 300 or 350hp is classified as "insane" by insurance people and you will get gouged nicely.
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