• Apr 23rd 2008 at 4:59PM
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Click above for a high-res gallery of the VW Golf TDI concept

The word came down yesterday from Auto Motor und Sport that the Volkswagen TDI hybrid Golf concept that debuted in Geneva wouldn't make the transition to production. According to the print edition of the German rag (translation courtesy of TTAC), the "forward-looking diesel-hybrid is already a thing of the past." That came as a surprise considering how well the concept was received and rumblings we heard from VW's people on the floor that the 69-mpg (European cycle) Golf was destined for the road. We shot off an email to a Volkswagen exec here in the States who responded by saying that, "It was just a concept. No plans to produce were announced." Too bad. Guess we'll have to make due with the gasoline-hybrid Golf that's due out in the next few years.

[Source: Auto Motor und Sport via TTAC]

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      • 7 Years Ago
      "forward-looking diesel-hybrid is already a thing of the past"....what and Gasoline power isn't? Stupid.
      • 7 Years Ago
      "Launch the MkV Golf in North America! No wait... let's call it the Rabbit instead!"

      "Kill the V10 TDI! No wait! Bring it back! Kill ALL the diesels! No, wait... people LIKE those!"

      "Launch the Scirocco! But only in Europe!"

      "Nobody in North America wants our small, efficient European models!"

      "Launch the Phaeton! Kill the Phaeton!... but maybe bring it back again... someday... "

      "Move the brand upmarket... but don't infill anything in our bread-and-butter small car business that built the brand into what it is (or was)."

      VW's marketing people really need to get their heads on straight. If they keep making announcements and then backpedaling on them at the rate they have been in the last couple of years, they're going to have to change their name to WV.
        • 7 Years Ago
        VW only killed the diesels in the US market because of federal regulations. They planned to bring the diesels back as soon as they had an engine that met regulations. That wasn't backpedaling at all.
      • 7 Years Ago
      I'm waiting for Mr. Fusion.
      • 7 Years Ago
      Diesel around here is easily 70 cents or more per gallon above gasoline, so I'm not that disappointed.

      Diesels will die on the vine in the US unless the price difference is closer. I think I read somewhere that the difference has to be 50 cents or less to be considered competitive.
        • 7 Years Ago
        where i live its only around a 50 cent gap (because the regular is over 3.60), but when a diesel gets 20 mpg more mileage i'd say thats pretty competitive, but the initial fill would be quite painful in the pocketbook
        • 7 Years Ago
        It doesn't get 20 more mpg.
      • 7 Years Ago
      I would have been on this car. LA fuel prices are insane. One more letdown from VW, cool cars but none to see the US shores.
      • 7 Years Ago
      You see, this is exactly what I'm talking about. The "forward-looking diesel-hybrid is already a thing of the past."

      Now, if this thing were slated to be atomic-powered, they'd be all over it! *Snicker!*
      • 7 Years Ago
      Volkswagen I hope you're reading this:

      You people are complete idiots for not putting this car into production right now. Period.

      • 7 Years Ago
      We are gonna need something like this soon, with gas prices climbing a dollar/gal a year.

      I wonder what is causing VW to nix this idea?
        • 7 Years Ago
        Cost. Considering the premium over the conventional golf to add hybrid AND tdi, it's not to hard to see why they'd nix the idea.
        • 7 Years Ago
        Considering that diesel prices are also along for the price hikes, it honestly doesn't make sense to pay the extra money for both the hybrid powertrain and diesel powertrain when it's not going to be any cheaper to drive than a 50mpg gas-electric hybrid. Getting 69mpg is pointless if each gallon costs an extra dollar.
        • 7 Years Ago
        Gas prices here are still lower than gas prices in Europe.

        Europeans are doing just fine with the regular Golf.

        Besides, the cost of a diesel hybrid would more than negate the fuel economy advantage.
        • 7 Years Ago
        Simple economics. A diesel engine that meets Tier 2 Bin 5 costs $2000 - $4000 more than a gas engine of similar power. And meeting the Tier 2 Bin 5 emissions reduces the fuel efficiency. Strong hybrids add another $4000 in cost.

        You'll never make up enough in reduced fuel consumption to pay for the added cost of the drivetrain.
      • 7 Years Ago
      This car should be made, somebody has to step up and make this movement happen. With mileage so bad in almost all cars out there, this would be revolutionary and VW would lead the movement towards the clean future and better MPG
      • 7 Years Ago
      This shouldn't surprise anyone.

      What do you get when you combine two very expensive methods of propulsion into one car?

      A very heavy and very expensive little car, too expensive for most people's tastes.

        • 7 Years Ago
        im sure the same maileage can be achieved by making the polo lighter, more aerodynamic; it already gets better mpg than a prius, why ruin it with more weight?
      • 7 Years Ago
      Diesel prices do need to come back on par with gasoline prices, but assuming they do, someone HAS to make diesel-electric hybrids work.

      Comparing a 2000 VW New Beetle TDI to a 2000 VW New Beetle with the 1.8l turbocharged engine, you get a 58% improvement in highway gas mileage and a 68% improvement in city gas mileage, according to EPA estimates. Imagine applying that to a Prius. You'd be talking 70-80mpg, not 40-50. That is a huge difference.

      And let's not forget that diesels can be converted to run on biodiesel.

      I think VW's making a mistake here, too.
        • 7 Years Ago
        The fuel economy benefits of diesel and hybrid technologies are not additive.

        A diesel hybrid Prius would not get 80 mpg.

        The Prius already eliminates a tremendous amount of throttling losses vs a standard gasoline setup.

        And the Prius utilizes a more efficient Atkinson cycle engine, not Otto cycle.

        Thus, the benefits of diesel and hybrid are largely redundant.
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