• Apr 18th 2008 at 7:02PM
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We're less than 12 hours away from seeing the Audi Q5 officially revealed at the Auto China Show in Beijing, and according to Süddeutsche Zeitung, Audi's new cute 'ute will be assembled in Changchun, in northern China. The German rag cited unspecified China-based sources for the information, but Audi isn't answering any questions ahead of the reveal tomorrow. The Q5 is due to hit dealers in Europe later this summer and sales are expected to begin in the States towards the beginning of next year. It's likely we'll hear about Audi's production plans for the Q5 during tomorrow's press conference and you can watch the reveal live on Audi's online media site.

[Source: Automotive News – Sub. Req.]

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      • 7 Years Ago
      -Mercedes to invest $21 billion in R&D
      -Audi to build car in China

      Guess which manufacturer I'll be buying from.
      • 7 Years Ago
      And Camrys are built there. They never did any harm-so start thinking about your comments.
      • 7 Years Ago
      They assemble there because it's cheap, that's how.
      • 7 Years Ago
      The following is simplified for anyone who hasn't suffered through poli-sci courses. Nit pick at will.

      China isn't communist. This is an important distinction that people fail to make: Communism and capitalism are mutually exclusive economic systems; you cannot be "communist" and "capitalist" without also being "hypocritical". One of communism's fundamental tenets is the lack of private property, which is very much not the case in China now, or for several years.

      By compaison, democracy and totalitarianism are _political_ systems. You can have a democratic government with a communist economy (though we've never actually seen one) and you can have a totalitarian state with a capitalist econommy (which China and many other "communist" states really are; it's also what Nazi Germany was).

      Most countries socio-economic systems lie somewhere between these poles, falling under the "social democracy" catch-all. The US and western Europe are "social democracies" or "social republics"; Switzerland is about as democratic as it gets among nation-states, but it's economy is considerably more socialized than, say, the less democratic United States. Cuba is probably the closest the world has seen to nation-state communism and it's totalitarian. China's economy isn't nearly as controlled, but it's equally, if not more, totalitarian. You could, actually, argue that China practices corporatism in it's most awful form.

      Really, try not to get hung up on labels. China's problems aren't due to communism, they're due to a complete lack of responsibility and accountability on the part of those in power, both officially (government) and unofficially (the rich upper classes that work hand-in-hand with government. Blaming "communism" or "socialism" for what's really a totalitarianism problem allows the those in the US who would lose power under a socialized system a convenient boogeyman.
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        You can't segregate politics from economics, they are the soul and nourishment of every nation state. They are as uniquely dependent on one another as the human mind is dependent upon the heart for essence. To imply otherwise creates an unnatural state that simply can't exist.

        I think your premise that communism is only an economic system is wrong. Communism is, in fact, the essence of an economic system and of a political system. I'm betting the CPC view it as this as well.
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        In my lifetime, Communism and Fascism produced the same deadly & oppressive totalitarian systems. Your argument sounds as if you are trying to "rescue" communism as a preferred system over a U.S. style democracy.

        China is still ruled by the Communist Party of China and they can exercise totalitarian control over any aspect of their society.

        BTW, when I was in college, there wasn't a major for political science. Elective politics back then, was still considered a civic duty, not a career choice.
        • 7 Years Ago
        Yep - the PRC stopped being "commies" over a decade ago (not that any of these communist countries really practiced true communism).

        The PRC nowadays is a fascist state - a totalitarian govt., govt.-controlled media/propaganda, the use of uber-nationalism and xenophobia to keep the masses in line, a capitalistic economy but w/ strong ties to the central govt., etc.
      • 7 Years Ago
      Gottverdammt! Ficken Scheisse!

      We launched the Marshall Plan 60 years ago in order to rebuild Germany to fight against the communists, and now they sell out to the reds on us? Verrat.
      • 7 Years Ago
      I guess this means the cars will be made of LEAD instead of steel...
      • 7 Years Ago
      oh please, spare me the touchy talking here about Chinese commie crap products.

      How many of you here don't have any Made in China in your home ? Are you dead yet ? When are you going to die ? Don't quickly think that your USA is doing charity for China, Chinese people have to work their ass out to produce goods for you people, and allow your US corporation earn butloads of money every year, so that your American cars now have 10% market share in China.

      Hey if you think Made in China is really bad, then do the followings :

      Throw all the stuff with Made in China tag in your home out of the windows.

      Go and boycott your corporations like Apple, Dell, HP....etc..

      Go and buy your Made in America (if you can find any) and make sure you mark it on the calendar then see how long that will last.

      Good day to you

      Hey I see a number of Koreans here and it's funny that they are talking about product quality when their country wasn't any better back not so long ago.
      • 7 Years Ago
      BTW it's amazing how uninformed some of the commenters are. Some people would rather bury their heads in the sand and pretend that China is just "EVIL COMMUNISTS", and that everything made in China is made out of lead. Seriously, how many stupid lead jokes can you guys make. If it were true I'd go invest in lead or something since the prices would skyrocket.

      The reason why all these companies are producing and selling in China is because they know that's where most of their customers are going to be in the future. YOU ARE NOT THEIR ONLY CUSTOMERS. Actually, I suspect that few of the commenters have ever actually bought a new Audi anyway-so quite frankly Audi could care less what you think. Audi unsurprisingly DOES care about what their Chinese customers think, since there's an awful lot of them. In fact, Audi has MORE CUSTOMERS IN CHINA THAN THE UNITED STATES. Get this through your thick skulls.

      Make fun of China all you want, but 10 years from now when Audi is selling 3-5x as many cars in China as the United States, I highly doubt they're going to give a damn that you won't buy a German car made in China. Because their Chinese customers will more than make up for the few idiots who'll continue to rant and rave about lead paint.
      • 7 Years Ago
      ken likes men.

      • 7 Years Ago

      The anti-Chinese sentiments in this thread reminds me of the attitudes Americans had about imported Japanese products of the 1950's and 1960's.

      You don't have much time left to keep snickering, because the new Chinese capitalists will one day, out capitalize U.S. Democracy.
        • 7 Years Ago
        Yeah, when Japan started out they were so very innocent. I mean, they had just FINISHED INVADING ALL OF ASIA AND FIGHTING A WORLD WAR WITH THE UNITED STATES AS NAZI GERMANY'S FASCIST ALLY.

        Seriously, way to go with the historical revisionism.

        Let me address your points one by one though:
        A) It's not really a communist country, so much as a capitalist oligarchy that's restrictive of individual rights (kinda like Singapore but much larger).
        B) It's not "taking over" Tibet...it's been in Tibet for decades (since the 50's) or centuries depending on how you interpret things. Secondly, even the Dali Lama hasn't accused China of killing any monks-the debate is how many rioters/protestors were killed in conflicts with police. China says it's only a few people killed by the police in self-defense, and the Tibetan exiles say it's a lot more.
        C) China has started putting pressure on Sudan to stop the civil war, but it's not like China went in and started the stupid civil war. The real reason why people are b*tching about China and Sudan is because China is one of the few countries that can put serious economic pressure on Sudan, but they've been hands-off (since that's their official policy for everything). China *IS* coming around on this issue. You make it sound as if China was going down there and shooting people in the streets-give me a break. That's like whining about how China trades with the US even though the US is in Iraq, then somehow blaming China for Iraq.
        D) EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY that has industrialized has had to deal with insane pollution problems. People had all kinds of public health problems during the Industrial Revolution, and even in the 1960-70's the US had horrible horrible pollution problems. It's horrible, but no country has ever industrialized without poisoning it's own environment-China's no different.
        E) The paint supplier to the toy company screwed the toy company over. It's horrible, but that's the crime of a paint company. There's evil a-hole scumbag executives everywhere.
        To put this in perspective, in the United States there were guys like Thomas Midgley who knew just how poisonous Tetra Ethyl Lead was (that's the lead in gasoline), but pushed it as a gasoline additive anyway because it would save the gasoline companies a lot of money on refining.
        He personally knew it was poisonous but he pulled stupid publicity stunts to "prove" it's safety anyway:
        "Within the first two months of its operation, the Bayway plant was plagued by more cases of lead poisoning, hallucinations, insanity, and then five deaths in quick succession. On October 30, Midgley participated in a press conference to demonstrate the "safety" of contact with the substance. In this demonstration, he poured tetra-ethyl lead over his hands, then placed a bottle of the chemical under his nose and breathed it in for sixty seconds, declaring that he could do this every day without succumbing to any problems whatsoever."

        Seriously, you're the pot calling the kettle black. China's not finished industrializing, and neither was the United States 50 years ago. Expecting China to magically transform from a backwater 3rd world country to a perfectly clean industrialized nation without any corruption is patently ridiculous.

        50 years from now China will be fully industrialized, and then instead of unscrupulous executives poisoning people with lead paint there'll be unscrupulous executives pulling Enron-style scams. But right now you gotta realize China is still a few decades away from all our 2008 problems-they gotta deal with all our 1960's problems first.
        • 7 Years Ago
        The big difference is that when Japan first started to send stuff over it wasn't the absolute crap the comes out of China.
        • 7 Years Ago

        @user & jgp

        I'm sympathetic to your views. The awful irony of China is, the communists can use free world style capitalism to smother democracy. This is a very dangerous combination; communism using capitalism to gain political muscle among western democracies.

        Post war Japan produced junk for twenty years but they quickly adapted and invested in modern factories. Japan out capitalized the U.S. in many important industries, electronics, small IC engine, textiles, now automobiles. But, they remain a democracy and a true friend of the West.

        Similarly, post Mao China produced junk for twenty years but they have quickly adapted and.....well..... they remain a communist country. Can they sustain a capitalist society under communist rule? I don't know, it's a weird combination that has never been tried before.

        Dismissive attitudes towards communist China should be tempered by the knowledge that they have the political, intellectual & industrial momentum to dwarf Japan and Korea's industrial output in another twenty years or so. I didn't intend to compare Japan and China as political equals. They're equals only in the attitude we Americans presently have with the quality of products coming out of China because Japan also produced inferior products at a similar moment in their history.

        • 7 Years Ago
        Japan is a liberal democracy. China is not.

        I have no problems with Japan. I do have problems with China.

        I will buy the best product available that meets my needs as long as it comes from a free country. I am opposed to nationalism, so I will buy from Japan, S. Korea, Europe, India, America, Canada, Mexico, etc. But since I am opposed to communism, socialism, and any form of collectivism, I will avoid China, N. Korea, nearly all the Middle East, etc.
        • 7 Years Ago
        Except when Japan started selling their products here they weren't:

        A) A Communist country.
        B) Taking over Tibet and killing monks.
        C) Supporting African genocide in the Suddan.
        D) A country with pollution caused disease/pollution related cancer as the number one cause of death.
        E) Producing products for American children covered in lead paint.

        And if China is so much like Japan, why would you think it will "out capitalize U.S. Democracy?" Did Japan "out capitalize U.S. Democracy?"
        • 7 Years Ago

        Where do you buy your gasoline from, if you're avoiding products from the Middle East?
      • 7 Years Ago
      And the West's relentless shipping of capability and know-how to the East continues...

      When we no longer know how to build anything because we've given it to them on a platter, you'll know who to thank.
      • 7 Years Ago
      If a Chinese Q5 doesn't float your boat then no need to even consider buying it...simple. However, if the car market goes the way of many of our consumer product markets here in the USA, where Chinese products are virtually all that is offered, then I would definitely have a problem.

      I agree with comments that China is very different from Japan in so many ways. In the western world we tend to to think of Asian countries as similar because the people have asiatic features, but they are as different as Germans are to Greeks...or Italians to Norwegians, etc.

      Just because Japan and China started out selling inferior products doesn't mean we'll end up on friendly terms with the increasingly nationalistic, totalitarian Chinese in the future.

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