• Apr 16, 2008
The pressure is on now for Ford, which has had the ponycar market to itself for the better part of a decade. With the return of the Chevy Camaro and Dodge Challenger, Ford will surely be stepping up the Mustang's performance when it receives a makeover for 2010. In an interview with stuff.co.nz, Bill Osborne, President of Ford Australia, claims that Ford is considering using a 5.0L V8 for the new Falcon - the same engine being developed for the upcoming Mustang. While nothing has been officially confirmed by Ford, this is further evidence that the 5.0 will be making a return since it was dropped from the Mustang back in 1995.

Assuming the 5.0 V8 will be available for the 2010 Mustang, there are many questions that still remain. It's possible the 5.0 could become standard, but it could also be reserved for use in a special edition Mustang like a Boss or Mach 1. There is also the question of how the engine is being developed. The simplest answer is that it will be based on the current modular V8 architecture and could be a stroked version of the 4.6L V8.

We would love to see something similar to the 5.0 V8 in the Saleen Parnelli Jones Limited Edition Mustang that we sampled last year. With 400 bhp and 390 lb-ft of torque, it was a smooth and powerful engine that suited the Mustang well.

[Source: Stuff.co.nz via MustangEvolution.com]



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      • 6 Years Ago
      New motor = interesting. V8, Duratech 35, and Eco-boost turbocharged version of the V6...

      However,

      No IRS = FAIL. IRS is just as good or better performance wise, and INFINITELY BETTER on real world pot-holed streets, where most cars live every day, regardless of performance.

      *Yeah, yeah. Live axle does fine on the track, whatever. IRS does fine on the track, too, in EVERY OTHER CAR.
      I don't drive on a pool-table-smooth track. I drive on Iowa roads, and they SUCK. A live axle can't defy physics, and Independent rides better by definition and execution.

      Cold-fish interior feel (looks decent, design is nice, until you touch it...) = Not good. Hopefully improvement is nicer.

      Retro looks = not for everyone. I don't begrudge the mustang it's retro looks. It looks nice. I don't want to buy one, and I used to be a mustang FA-REAK, and still quite like the Fox-body in it's time-adjusted context.

      I really wish there were a mercury with a sleeker, more modern design, inside and out, for the modern market, though. G37 needs some competition.

      Color me interested, but not really excited until I hear that some of the deficiencies have truly been addressed.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Go buy a G37, I like the mustang the way it is.
        • 6 Years Ago
        if mercury weren't already slated for death, a IRS cougar would be a great idea. it would leverage the platform and engines in the mustang and give ford and mercury a 350Z/G37/camaro/1 series/ect fighter for minimal investment.

        but ford is trying to starve the mercury dealerships out of existence so they can kill the useless brand.
      • 6 Years Ago
      While the engine news is good, it's disappointing in the sense that there seems to be no mention of a proper rear end or lighter weight
        • 6 Years Ago
        It is broke though. Considering that the upcoming G8 is a bigger car but should still be able to walk all over the Mustang given the setup they have and the reviews it's been getting. If the G8 comes out with a GXP variant there wouldn't even begin to be a competition
        • 6 Years Ago
        2010 is just a refresh, i doubt Ford would invest much time/money into light weight materials, or even the rear end. considering the new RWD's from GM and Dodge, the weight of the mustang is the best.

        but one can hope right? i think the ecoboost V6 with IRS would be sweet and very tune-able. leave the V8's for Shelby's and so on.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Actually, it's a little more than a refresh. All new interior, all new body panels except for the roof, new suspension, and there have been rumors about a new rear, but I doubt it. The Mustang doesn't need it, at least not in a GT.. if it aint broke, don't fix it.
          • 6 Years Ago
          It is broke though. Considering that the upcoming G8 is a bigger car but should still be able to walk all over the Mustang given the setup they have and the reviews it's been getting. If the G8 comes out with a GXP variant there wouldn't even begin to be a competition
      • 6 Years Ago
      The Mustang for the type of car it is and it's large size is pretty light by today's standards.

      • 6 Years Ago
      How much lighter do you want it? If the figures stated above are correct, it's within 300-400lbs of a Corvette ( I think the Vette is around 3200lb).

      It has a very durable and smooth riding rear-end. I'm sure you're saying an IRS is the proper rearend. But the live axle has proven itself not to be a hinderance to performance on either the street or track.

      All it needs is a 3:73 gear as standard equipment. That alone would make it "feel" 300-400lb lighter.

      • 6 Years Ago
      oh the good old 5.slow mustang, lets hope the new one has power to match its displacement
        • 6 Years Ago
        How much of an exterior refresh? Complete.. the only body panel that will remain the same is the roof.
        • 6 Years Ago
        sorry but comparing a 5 litre v8 to a 1.6 i4 isn't a comparison, especially when the japanese can get almost half the horsepower from about a third of the displacement. consider also that european cars were getting the same horsepower as the 5 litre from half the cylinders and 2 litres. as per my previous comment, hopefully this new 5L v8 will be better than the old one.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Wait, how big of a refresh exterior wise are we all expecting?

        With gas around where I live currently being $3.89, I really don't care about a 5.0L engine. I really like the new Camaro, especially if Chevy goes with that 2.0T set-up. 2 litres can make good enough horsepower these days and a turbocharger is always fun. (I know turbos have lag and all but they're still plenty of fun. :) ) And the exterior of the new Camaro is great!
        • 6 Years Ago
        So a 100 hp 1L engine is better than a 300 hp 5L? You're welcome to it then, more power for me.

        Displacement is just a means to an end. Makes all the sense of ranking a gearbox by its toothcount.
      • 6 Years Ago
      If Ford would put Direct Injection on the 4.6L V8 with the Damper and higher redline from the Bullitt motor, the Modular 4.6 should put out close to 370HP and would be competitive to the GM 6+ Liter V8's.
      • 6 Years Ago
      The cammer engine is too expensive. More than likely a bored out 4.6 that undercuts the competions price.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Yea your right. It's like the ZR-1 engine and the CTS-V engine. Same displacement but with different internals to drop cost which lowers performance.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Exactly what do you think a Cammer is?

        Ford Racing Performance Parts' "Cammer" motor is the ultimate high-performance derivative of the Ford 4.6-liter engine.


        Take away the attention to detail and TLC that a "race motor" gets and you have the basics of the new 5.0L
      • 6 Years Ago
      My friend's get 18-20mpg city in their current Mustang GTs and nearly 30mpg on the open road. Hardly bad fuel consumption considering their blistering performance. That's only 2mpg less than my 3800 V6 GM sedan.
        • 6 Years Ago
        There is no GM 3800 that gets over 30 mpg..stfu, you are lying POS. I had a Gen II 3800 GTP, and I got 25 hwy, and now I have a GenIII GTP that gets almost 28 hwy, with a cold air kit.
        • 6 Years Ago
        No, actually.. they are rated for the same fuel economy.

        I simply don't believe you. Neither Gen II or Gen III is rated above 26 highway, S/C or not.. I just called by ex-girlfriend's sister. She has a 04 Grand Prix GT with the Gen III, and the best she has attained was 27.. I have never heard of any Gen II getting better than 25.

        Go to a GM performance forum and try to tell them you got greater than 30 mpg.. they will hunt you down and kill you for making such an absurd claim.

        Unless you can prove it to me, you're full of it.
        • 6 Years Ago
        @TKOSoccerFool

        I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you're young, brash, and have a lead-foot. Also... while I'm sure your ex-girlfriend's sister is the definitive source for all things automotive, the fact remains that you and she are way off base.

        It isn't that the 3.8 is not capable of attaining those mileage figures... it's that you're not capable of attaining those figures - there's a keen difference.

        When I had my '04 Regal GS with its supercharged 3.8, I was easily able to attain 30mpg on the highway, it's not difficult whatsoever - all it takes is a modicum of concentration... and not driving like your arse is on fire.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Fuel consumption has is about 10% car and 90% driver. My younger bolder self was able to attain 56 (Yes, Fifty Six) miles per gallon average in a 1996 Suburban over a 30 mile highway trip. Of course I was drafting every single 18 Wheeler from less than 20 feet away and running in neutral over all the downhill sections, but the situation still applies.
        • 6 Years Ago
        I had a 3800 and could easily hit 30 on the highway TKO. I'm guessing the blower on that GTP has something to do with you not hitting 30mpg.
      • 6 Years Ago
      I hope the engine is light.
      • 6 Years Ago
      ROLLING in my 5.0
      With my ragtop down so my hair can blow!

        • 6 Years Ago
        Will it ever stop yo I don't know! ;)
        • 6 Years Ago
        DAMMIT!! You beat me to it.........
        • 6 Years Ago
        The girlies on standby waving just to say hi
        Did you stop? No! I just drove by
        • 6 Years Ago
        about time!
      • 6 Years Ago
      The 5.0 Mustang dominated the streets for sooooo long.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Only the straight ones.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Aprime,

        C'mon man, give credit where it's due. There are tons of Fox-body Stangs still running autocross these days, not to mention the American Iron series cars that are road-course terrors. They platform may be old, but it's very solid and probably has more aftermarket performance parts available than any other car, period.
          • 6 Years Ago
          @Shipey: The only thing Fox-body Stangs need credit for is there terrible need for aftermarket parts to compete in any performance event.

          A stock E30 M3 with a 4Cyl could match a mustang in a straight line; and to put it nicely, corners were never the mustangs forte from the factory.
        • 6 Years Ago
        "blah blah I have a Mustang"

        :D
        • 6 Years Ago
        "Blah blah I don't."

        ;)
      • 6 Years Ago
      What ever happened with all that talk of using the twin-force..er..Ecoboost engines in the Mustang?
        • 6 Years Ago
        How about putting in the 2.3L Duratec engine with a sweet turbocharger? If you got the power output high enough (225+ HP) you go yourself a nice four banger. Haven't seen a RWD 1-4 sports car since what? the 240Z?
        • 6 Years Ago
        "Mr. Cool: The 240Z was a 6cyl, same as every other Z Nissan(Datsun) made after that."

        i imagine he was referring to the 240SX ... which was not a 6 cylinder. and was one of the last cheap FR I4 coupes around. (not counting the Miata / etc. as they are not hardtops... but roadsters.)
        • 6 Years Ago
        Mr. Cool: The 240Z was a 6cyl, same as every other Z Nissan(Datsun) made after that.

        The MazdaSpeed3 2.3L DI Turbo would be a great engine to use. 270HP+ easily, and the RWD Mustang platform could probably handle it much better. On a decent day you might see 29mpg too.
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