• Apr 9, 2008
AutoCar procured a sketch of the oft-rumored and all-but-confirmed lightweight coupe that's being jointly developed between Subaru and Toyota, and their sources confirm that the final design will be signed off in July. According to the Brit pub, both automakers will have their own version of the rear-wheel-drive, two-door, powered by Subaru's own 175 hp, 2.0-liter boxer engine. A 2.5-liter, turbocharged version is also being considered, which might send power to all four wheels in a nod to the historic Celica GT4. Sales are expected to begin in Japan, the UK and North America in 2010. Here's hoping they can keep it under the $20k mark when it hits U.S.shores.
[Source: Autocar]


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      • 6 Years Ago
      a nod to the historic Celica GT4...

      YES. I have a 1990 GT4 turbo, nothing would make me happier to park a brand new iteration right next to it. but to be a true GT4 it would have to have AWD and a modern version of the 3sgte, while the former is a possibility, i dont know if they would ressurect the 3sgte engine when the subaru 2.5 litre turbo is readily available. in that event id rateher they named something other than a GT4. well all rumors at this point but heres hoping!
      • 6 Years Ago
      I guess I am going to start saving some cash.

      I seriously hope that they mean that the Toyota will be RWD, with GT4 being AWD, but that Subaru will be ALL AWD. RWD is good, but it doesn't fit Subaru.

      I also hope that Toyota gets the econo-model, and that Subaru sees fit to market this coupe alongside the Impreza lineup, as a 2.5RS, WRX, and WRX STI coupe lineup.

      They should ditch their ugly little impreza 4-door, let the 2.5i, 2.5GT Turbo, and Spec B turbo models handle the 4-door market, and just have impreza 5-door wagon-wannabe, and 3-door coupe that looks like the rendering here.

      IF Subaru doesn't put a turbo in this thing... I'll be saving up for an STI driveline swap, after the car is out of warranty. This car BEGS for 305+ horsepower, DCCD AWD, 6-speed stick, SI-Drive, and Brembos/Bilsteins with BBS wheels.

      If it weighs ~3000lbs so equipped, it will be one of the performance values of the century, and make the Genesis coupe, and the Mustang GT look like also-rans, let alone front-drivers like Eclipse that has fallen from it's Turbo AWD perch long ago.

      About the only other car with that sort of power to weight ratio is looking to be the Solstice GXP Targa coupe.

      "Build it, and they will come." -Field of Dreams, but applies here, too.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Whoa, calm down. This is being billed at the AE86 redux, not the Supra TT redux. There's no guarantee Subaru will even do a AWD version. They need -something- to get their CAFE numbers up before it's too late.
        • 6 Years Ago
        If they hold the turbo version back from the US market, like they did with the 2.5RS, not giving us the similar WRX coupe, or the 22b STI, or something like it...

        If they do that, and offer this car turbocharged, but not in the US with a subaru badge,

        Pissed off won't even begin to describe it... that is cruel and then some.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Do i see a bit of, traditional, Zagato cues in roofline and back design...Nice touch i they do it right.
      • 6 Years Ago
      At the Dallas Auto show this past weekend I was lamenting the lack of 2 door coupe/hatch versions of the Subaru Impreza and Mitsubishi Lancer. In cars of this size, I consider the 2 large doors to be more practical and also more attractive than the 4 door sedans. I hope this 2 door variant comes to pass and that they don't try to make some bizarre coupe like some of their prior efforts. Just keep the same or similar style lines as the current models and they should sell quite well.

        • 6 Years Ago
        Dunno about you, but I like the sketch of the coupe on this article WAY better than just a coupe-ified Impreza (ugly) or even a coupe-ified Lancer sedan (too boxy)

        If mitsu wanted to do this, why haven't they built a version of the Eclipse into the Ralliart or Concept-RA AWD Turbo coupes? They've obviously thought about it. They just haven't done it. Plus the Eclipse is pretty big, and a bit heavy, compared to early generations.

        If "Toyaru" build the car in the sketch, and give it some well thought out trim lines, I think they'll be in a much better position than just simply chopping two doors out of the cars they already have.

        There is more to a coupe than just fewer doors, otherwise people would just buy the car with more doors.
      • 6 Years Ago
      • 6 Years Ago
      Interesting.

      Is this badge engineering? How successful has that not been for GM? Why would Toyoru do it...unless there was a drive train difference (FWD on the Toyo, AWD on the "ru") and not just changing front and rear clips a' la the Saabaru 9-2x.

      So..Toyo should take the Celica route and FWD it. "Ru" will hopefully go AWD in a nod to the brand's more contemporary WRC presence.

      Horizontal engine only, please. No funky inline or vee stuff needed here.
        • 6 Years Ago
        @ hashiryu

        I may be. What's your point?

        Toyota isn't going to produce a RWD sports coupe' for under $20k.

        There isn't enough demand for it in the market.

        The Celica is a girl's sports car - and FWD.

        A RWD Supra would be great. But that's not going to happen for under $20k...and it would share a platform with the ..what is it...LF, not a Subaru.

        P.S. don't take anything written by a British motoring publication too much to heart. Else Alonso would already be driving for Ferrari.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Oh! The Celica GT-4's really were awesome cars. But the Celica has become a girls car - at least here in the US.

        I just really don't see this happening. I mean, an STi is pushing $40k. and there is certainly plenty of scale of economy in the Legacy/ Impreza/ Forester platform. But none, save the most entry level Impreza, is below $20k. And Toyota - unlike GM - won't be interested on losing $ on every unit, but making it up on volume. Subaru sure can't afford to.

        It is less expensive to build a decent performing FWD than a rear-drive platform with similar performance so I can't see how you can make a decent, moderate performance RWD vehicle and price it for entry level.

        Heck an entry-level MX-5 is $21k and change.

        • 6 Years Ago
        @Richard

        Are you retarded?

        read RWD... REAR wheel drive

        That's what the fuss is all about

        well, in the Toyo version at least.
        • 6 Years Ago
        ummmmmm all the people dropping cash on beaten up used 240SXs, AE86s...people buying Cobalt SSs, Civic SIs, Ion redlines, Mustang V6s, people excited about the Genesis coupe, people who wished the 1 series was actually cheaper than the 3 series etc etc etc

        Plus the thousands of enthusiasts waiting forerver or the return of the cheap rwd coupe.

        Collaboration with subaru = cheaper parts and development costs


        need more of a business case?
      • 6 Years Ago
      Ahh, if only all sporty compacts could be rear-drive. Civic Si with rwd anyone?
        • 6 Years Ago
        Maybe you should go back to a Camaro comment thread if you don't like peaky motors Big Jimbo ;) Oh, and the Civic Si is a fun car, and would be made even more so by powering the rear wheels.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Yeah, rear drive, and the 2.2L S2000 engine. That would be good stuff.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Honda hasn't produced a RWD car with a backseat for more than 30 years. What makes you think they're going to start now?
      • 6 Years Ago
      Just because it's being made by Toyota doesn't mean it couldn't be marketed as a Scion. Possible replacement for the tC?
        • 6 Years Ago
        Well, you know, they did show a drifting scion the other day....
      • 6 Years Ago
      Toyota version: low weight (2750lbs), rear-drive, revvy 2.0L turbo EJ20 w/ about 245hp, called the Celica GT-S.

      Subaru version: a bit heavier (hair under 3k), AWD, choice of 175hp N/A or 275hp turbo EJ25's. Name: 2.5RS.

      I'd buy the turbo Subaru version in white to park next to my black 2001 2.5RS.
        • 6 Years Ago
        that is what i am hoping for, at 2700 lbs, there are lots of rwd cars that deliver that experience. under 2500 is the promised land, where only gen 1 mx5s and lotus elises play.
        • 6 Years Ago
        how about a bit lighter at around ~2400lbs?
      • 6 Years Ago
      GT4 yes...but I think he specifically means the JDM Toyota Celica ST205 which is a GT4 Generation...I may be wrong but just what I thought the ideal AWD Turbo Toyota Celica reference should be targeted towards the ST205 model
      • 6 Years Ago
      Based on all the comments I've read so far it sounds like the car you all want is already on the market and its called the Mazda RX8.

      rwd, 3,000lbs, 238hp, 4 real seats in a coupe size car, base model can be had brand new for $21k.
        • 6 Years Ago
        @Travis,
        You expect torque from a high revving 4cyl na engine?

        The Acura NSX weighed in at 2950 lbs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_NSX). There is no way this thing will clock in much below 3000lbs if it is to be large enough to have 4 seats.

        The turbo 2.5 price point will almost certainly be kissing $30k. Just look at the base pricing of the WRX and Evo X.

        Why set yourself up for disappointment if this car ever reaches market by expecting so much from a $20,000 car?
        • 6 Years Ago
        sure, that would be perfect if it:

        1) wasn't 3000 lbs (hence the "lightweight" aspect)
        2) was halfway reliable
        3) didn't start at $27k MSRP
        4) got better than 22mpg (highway)
        5) didn't leak oil
        6) was halfway reliable
        7) weighed less than 3000 lbs
        8) had more than 159 ft/lbs of torque

        ummmmm, think that's probably about it. I don't want an RX-8. I want a Miata hatchback instead. 175hp, RWD, 2 seat hatchback that's 100lbs lighter than a miata, and 2-3g cheaper (based on the upcharge for convertibles over normal hardtops).
      • 6 Years Ago
      This is going to be one funny piece of news when the concept and actual car comes out... Subaru and Toyota's design language being molded into one... I'm going to reserve a spot next to the Aztek photo and pictures of chinese made cars
        • 6 Years Ago
        @naggs

        They can't do that.

        The crash standards are too tough. The aluminum to keep the strength/ weight ratio in line while passing the crash tests screws the build cost.

        • 6 Years Ago
        @naggs

        They can't do that.

        The crash standards are too tough. The aluminum to keep the strength/ weight ratio in line while passing the crash tests screws the build cost.

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