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Valentino Amoro @ Mar 4th 2008 8:01PM
Love the TT but in this day and age ot 270+ Accords/Maximas, Pointiac G8's with 360 HP for 30K and Mazaspeed 3's I think 170 HP is simply unacceptable.
The TT is not lightweight Lotus and is pricey.
zamafir @ Mar 4th 2008 8:03PM
... it's diesel. Here's a clue, if all you care about is HP go with the TT-S, not the TT designed to provide over 40mpg with awd. is it really that hard?
Valentino Amoro @ Mar 4th 2008 8:13PM
Let's get this straight from an actual TT owner (myself).
TT looks great.
Gas version is nose heavy. (Like most Audis).
Haldex Quattro is heavy and front wheel drive biased.
Diesel engines are heavier, meaning the Audi is even more nose heavy than its petrol counterpart and less powerful.
The diesel engine has 170HP which is just ridiculously slow for a 'sports car'.
Audi diesels are $$$. I wouldn't be surprised if this car cost somewhere upwards of $42K.
That defeats the whole purpose of having a diesel.
zamafir @ Mar 4th 2008 8:20PM
So... you're a tt owner who's gut reaction is to compare a four cylinder diesel car with sedans powered by V6's and V8's? Alright we'll move past that.
Diesel is heavier? of course. Defeats the purpose? Nope, having driven my share of VAG products producing 250lb ft of torque at the front wheels I can easily understand why audi choose haldex instead of fronttrack.
Sure, the car will cost over $35,000 but that doesnt defeat anything, where does it say this is for the North American market? What's Audi's primary market? Europe. And what outsels ALL petrol luxury brand cars in europe, regardless of make or model? Diesel. will this sell like hotcakes in europe like every other Diesel car? Yup.
If you consider this car, and the use of the technology provided, in the context of it's intended market it makes perfect sense.
Valentino Amoro @ Mar 4th 2008 8:31PM
No need to get feisty here. Comparing a 4 pot diesel to V6's is not the point..and yes, I do own a TT and love it. (Quattro, 225)
I concede. If this is for the European market I think it makes sense. The savings from diesel will be substantial and in Europe hot hatches are considered powerful and fast so although this will still be (relatively) slow + heavy, it will still be popular.
I still dont think this makes any sense States Side. There are lots of lucrative 'sports cars' for that price here.
chewy @ Mar 4th 2008 8:34PM
ok, this TT TDI is made for Europe. It gets 46% more MPGs than the gasoline 2.0T. This makes sense when you have gas prices that are about double what we have in the US. The diesel TT will cost a thousand or so more Euroes (in a 30,000 or so Euro car in Europe) and it makes total sense in Europe. It doesn't make sense in the Us, that's why it isn't coming here.
Valentino Amoro @ Mar 5th 2008 2:18AM
Nagma,
First of all, relax.
Secondly, let's talk about the effect of having more mass on the nose. Understeer. Subaru and particularly the Evo doenst have that problem because its AWD is rear wheel biased. This allows for the car to rotate better.
In the Evo the AWD system goes a notch above with torque vectoring. It allows it to pull .99G on the skid pad.
And please dont bring in the TSX or Civic Si in this example. No body calls them "sports Cars' and they are not in the same price league.
HeyHuub @ Mar 5th 2008 3:33AM
@ Valentino
So you have the old TT, well then you have no right to talk about the new TT like that because it's a tottaly diferent car.
And 0-60 in 7 seconds isn't terrible slow in my book. Especially with the milage it does.