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bobjava @ Mar 3rd 2008 7:16PM
Agree with Robert O on the xB.
The xD has too many design cues from other Toyotas (including the atrocious C pillar and, even worse, has LESS interior room than the xA. The xA was already small.
The tC is nice, until you look at the Civic coupe and realize the Civic outclasses it in every major category: price (albeit with fewer standard items), 0-60 performance, gas mileage, interior space, and, according to Consumer Reports, reliability.
The drop in Scion sales is massive. Even with the production changeover to new models, it shouldn't have been this profound, had they offered enticing new vehicles.
Allan @ Mar 3rd 2008 7:36PM
While I agree with you on the Civic getting better mileage and reliability reports and all... how can you make any claim of it outclassing something in price and then say "oh, but not with as many standard things..."
Ok... so then the price is not the same and nothing is outclassing anything yet. Compare apples to apples and see where the price is then. Not that price completely which is better or not but at least make your first and primary comparison a fair one.
Note: I own a tC and would still take it over a Civic any day. "Outclassed" by it or not.
bobjava @ Mar 3rd 2008 7:43PM
Fair enough. I should have said "starting price." Some people don't want everything. For a cheap non-luxury car, they should probably have that option.
rav3 @ Mar 3rd 2008 7:48PM
The squishy-mushy shifter and mediocre handling of the tC wouldn't lead you to a better performing and more efficient car?
I'd rather take public transpo than drive a Honda, but with MPGs, build quality, and resale value the Civic is a much better buy than the tC. As an econocar, the tC isn't a very intriguing package, as a sporty wannabe econocar, its even worse.
Shove a Prius engine in a tC, cut down on the weight and fix the tC's performance issues (handling, shifter/clutch, etc.) and it would be a great little machine.
Looks like Scion is in an interesting situation. They just refreshed most of their line up and the results leave a bit to be desired. Could lead to another refreshing in the not too distant future. Hopefully with better results. I would hope they could work on efficiency with the Scion brand, it couldn't hurt...