http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/29/navistar-suing-ford-again/ Autoblog Comments for Navistar suing Ford... again http://www.autoblog.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.autoblog.com en-us Copyright 2008 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/29/navistar-suing-ford-again/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/29/navistar-suing-ford-again/Feb 29th 2008 9:18AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/29/navistar-suing-ford-again/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/29/navistar-suing-ford-again/
I'm sure that it cost a lot more than $11 million. Could you try a little more care when writing your posts?]]>Feb 29th 2008 9:19AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/29/navistar-suing-ford-again/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/29/navistar-suing-ford-again/Mar 3rd 2008 12:06PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/29/navistar-suing-ford-again/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/29/navistar-suing-ford-again/Feb 29th 2008 9:27AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/29/navistar-suing-ford-again/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/29/navistar-suing-ford-again/Feb 29th 2008 9:31AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/29/navistar-suing-ford-again/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/29/navistar-suing-ford-again/Feb 29th 2008 9:33AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/29/navistar-suing-ford-again/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/29/navistar-suing-ford-again/

PLEASE, the only one with a bone here is you. You are simply trying to suck up to a company that is a big part of your job.

Navistar is not, so you side with ford.


Grow Up.]]>Feb 29th 2008 9:43AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/29/navistar-suing-ford-again/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/29/navistar-suing-ford-again/Feb 29th 2008 9:47AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/29/navistar-suing-ford-again/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/29/navistar-suing-ford-again/Feb 29th 2008 9:53AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/29/navistar-suing-ford-again/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/29/navistar-suing-ford-again/The stink in all this goes back to 2002, when Ford was initially supposed to start using the 4.5L V6. Ford backed out of using a small diesel altogether at the time.
About that same time, Ford began using the 6L V8 Powerstroke(on which the 4.5L V6 is based) in the Super Duty trucks. These engines had injector problems, which weren't entirely ITEC's fault. It gets a little murky from there on.
Now ITEC is (rightfully) barking that Ford will be using a diesel engine not supplied by them (ITEC). ]]>Feb 29th 2008 10:33AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/29/navistar-suing-ford-again/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/29/navistar-suing-ford-again/
Now, the 4.4L is based on the Land Rover 3.6 architecture diesel, a line called Lion but not Navistar derived. If Navistar did work on the new 4.4 project, it was limited to initial scoping, design and prototyping - probably to develop power, economy and price estimates to "bid" as a supplier - and not full development (hence the $11 million price tag). Unless they own a key piece of technology on the engine that Ford is also using - not very likely because the engine architecture is not Navistar derived like the 6.0 and 6.4 were - I don't know that they can claim it is their engine. I'm sure rumors of Ford developing its own big-block diesel probably has Navistar angered as well.

Navistar really need to move on. It will suck from an earnings perspective for a couple years, but the relationship is no longer healthy, and that will only hurt both companies in the long-run.]]>Feb 29th 2008 11:16AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/29/navistar-suing-ford-again/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/29/navistar-suing-ford-again/
The new diesel is called the scorpion 6.7L and it is apparently amazing]]>Mar 1st 2008 12:41AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/29/navistar-suing-ford-again/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/29/navistar-suing-ford-again/
Do you REALLY believe that Navistar developed an engine for just $11M?]]>Feb 29th 2008 11:16AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/29/navistar-suing-ford-again/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/29/navistar-suing-ford-again/
Hold on there- There were rumors of a 4.5 liter V6 diesel in Ford light trucks, but there was never any confirmation that it would have been the VT275 (i.e. the engine in the LCF.) The VT275 is way too heavy for a 1/2 ton F150 or Expedition, and since it still uses the HEUI injection system, too noisy as well.

"The second is the disaster that is the 6.0."

does anyone know how reliable the VT365 is in International trucks vs. Ford trucks?

"The third is the pricing for the 6.4."

Yeah, well, Navistar isn't under any obligation to lose money at Ford's behest. This "Detroit Three" mentality of "we're not making money, so our suppliers shouldn't either" isn't going to get them anywhere.]]>Feb 29th 2008 11:56AMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/29/navistar-suing-ford-again/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/29/navistar-suing-ford-again/Mar 1st 2008 5:19PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/29/navistar-suing-ford-again/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/29/navistar-suing-ford-again/"Now, the 4.4L is based on the Land Rover 3.6 architecture diesel, a line called Lion but not Navistar derived. If Navistar did work on the new 4.4 project, it was limited to initial scoping, design and prototyping - probably to develop power, economy and price estimates to "bid" as a supplier - and not full development (hence the $11 million price tag). Unless they own a key piece of technology on the engine that Ford is also using - not very likely because the engine architecture is not Navistar derived like the 6.0 and 6.4 were - I don't know that they can claim it is their engine. I'm sure rumors of Ford developing its own big-block diesel probably has Navistar angered as well."

Moreover, if you do not trust the author's source, then the very LEAST you could do is post a source yourself. At least the author has a source to refer to. So far, all you've got is some angry sounding internet posts and exactly ZERO references to back them up.

Try again.]]>Feb 29th 2008 12:13PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/29/navistar-suing-ford-again/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/29/navistar-suing-ford-again/Feb 29th 2008 1:38PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/29/navistar-suing-ford-again/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/29/navistar-suing-ford-again/Feb 29th 2008 2:24PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/29/navistar-suing-ford-again/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/29/navistar-suing-ford-again/Feb 29th 2008 4:31PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/29/navistar-suing-ford-again/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/29/navistar-suing-ford-again/Feb 29th 2008 4:47PM