• Feb 14, 2008

It could be CAFE, it could be gas prices, it could be the everpresent chatter on all things green, it could be that it's just so bloody hot on Earth nowadays, it could be all those folks in California begging for clean air. But according to recent data and a study by Edmunds.com, V8's simply aren't in vogue anymore, with overall uptake among new car buyers dropping four percent over the last two years.

Along with the decline in SUV purchases, those who are still buying SUV's are shunning V8's twice as quickly, with a nine-percent decline over the last two years. Among full-size sedan and coupe buyers, seven-percent fewer checked the "Big V8" box on the options checklist.

The only place V8's aren't sliding down the mountain is in the full-size pickup market, where four-percent more buyers are still going for stump-pulling power. The theory is that "casual" pickup buyers are opting for something less thirsty, leaving more of those folks who actually haul things to buy pickup trucks powered as God intended. But with even full-size pickups feeling the sales pinch, it looks like the march toward 35-MPG has begun.

[Source: Inside Line]



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      • 6 Years Ago
      I tow my boat with a 1989 Honda Accord. It had 98hp when new. After 262,000 miles, it probably has around 75-80. It tows the boat just fine. I really don't understand the obsession with maximum tow ratings when 95% of all the people who need to tow something never come close. I think they just have tiny penises.
      • 6 Years Ago
      I disagree.

      I just purchased a 2004 H.O. V8 Grand Cherokee to replace my aging GMC Jimmy.The Jeep is larger on the inside, much faster, better towing/off road/snow performance, and gets the same city MPG and noticeably better MPG Highway.

      I love power and usefulness of the torque.

      now 35MPG aint gonna happen. But the concept of a big I-6 TurboDiesel as a V8 Replacement i really like. Come to think of it, My 4.7 has very diesel 6-like numbers. 265hp, 325 lb-ft. Keep the hp, increase the torque and mpg and you have a winner.

      Look people, theres something to be said for ENJOYING what you drive. You don't spend money to save money, drive what suits your needs and what makes you smile, life is too short.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Maybe 4% fewer pickup truck buyers are opting for the Dodge and Ford V10s than before and instead getting V8s.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Dodge doesn't offer a V-10 anymore. Ford is the only one. We have a couple F-350 dump bodies with V-10s in our fleet. One is a 99 (too weak for it's own good) and the two others are 06s. Good engine. And the mileage is a tad better than the diesels we have (except our four new F-550s with 6.4Ls...the V-10s are about equal). I always liked the later Ford V-10s. They always seemed to have a lot more power off the line compared to their diesels. While they may not tow as much, for the daily driver/weekend hauler, it would be more than enough...plus, you may save a few pennies at the pump (seeing as gas is a buttload cheaper than diesel).
      • 6 Years Ago
      I find interesting that this trend is being realized now. Remember a few months ago when Lincoln said they would not offer a V8 in the MKS and everyone from industry "insiders" to posters here blasted them for that desicion?

      Looks like they may have been right after all.
      Chris
      • 6 Years Ago
      Tyo you are exactly If I need to tow something I can do it and I have all the interior space and comfort I need and I can haul pretty much anything I need to in the cargo area with the seats folded down. So yeah it's worth it.
      • 6 Years Ago
      And as far as cars go, maybe its because pushing 300HP in a relatively small V6 is readily available, and seeing 250HP as a starting point is downright commonplace?

      Remember, the number of cylinders only affects how smooth the engine is (more detonations per revolution), not inherently how powerful it is. And as power-per-liter goes up, liters can go down as well.
      • 6 Years Ago
      @ why not the LS2/LS7?

      So Dodge Viper buyers are switching to Dodge Rams?
        • 6 Years Ago
        Dodge sold the Viper V10 in trucks, I think even before it was sold in Vipers. Ford sells the Triton V10 in trucks.
      Chris
      • 6 Years Ago
      No vintage that's not why I drive a SUV I drive an SUV because that's what I want to drive and that's what I am most comfortable in when it comes to head and legroom.
      • 6 Years Ago
      tis a sad day. The sound of big displacement V8s will be missed.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Another example where perception isn't reality. The Pontiac G8 V6 uses nearly as much fuel as the Pontiac G8 V8. The difference is one mile per gallon and nearly 100 horsepower.

      All the latest auto news coming out these days reminds me of the 1970s when every car suddenly dropped V8s and only offered six cylinder engines. Those six cylinders didn't save anyone fuel.

      The best thing manufacturers can do is attempt to shave excess weight from mainstream vehicles. But our demand for interior room, physical size, and ever stringent government crash regulations keeps adding the pounds to virtually every type of vehicle out there. Nullifying any fuel consumption or performance improvements we would otherwise have.
        • 6 Years Ago
        One problem lies with GM. GM wants to sell the most expensive vehicle, which has the highest profit margin.
        They will try to do that by sabotaging the lower products.

        GM isn't using the best example of the 3.6. Where is the HO spec 3.6, or even the direct injection 3.6?
        Also, where is the 6L50 transmission. The 5L40 is old (around a decade), let it retire.

        Another problem, why should the [incorrect] paradigm be that the smaller engine gets better mileage? Virtually the same weight and CdA. The advantage of better BSFC of the V6 over the V8 will be nullified in the EPA fuel economy test.
        So the paradigm should be, $30K Pontiac G8 V8 gets same mileage as $25K G8 V6, AND is faster to 60 by 1 second, and quicker in the 1/4 by 1 second and finishes 5mph faster.
      • 6 Years Ago
      V6s will never be a real replacement for proper V8s.

      I have driven cars all the V6s mentioned and none of them pack the performance, the sound or the smoothness of a modern V8.

      You can compare numbers all day but what matters is how they drive. All of these V6s make numbers but to get the performance you have to rev the crap out of them. If you want to use those ponies they will use nearly as much fuel as a V8 would have. Pretty much all of them are hampered by being stuck in heavy FWD platforms as well.

      I will continue to purchase V8 vehicles and am willing to pay for them. A V6 Accord will never be exciting or my cup of tea.

      • 6 Years Ago
      I have an 07 CRV that only when every condition is met will pull over 25mpg. On the highway. A flat highway. Without passing anyone.

      More often than not, I pull under 23mpg on the highway. And this isn't unusual for this vehicle.

      Why? Because every now and then you do need to pass someone, but with 3500lbs, and a 160hp 4cyl, you need to rev over 5Krpm.

      All this in comparison to the 99 4dr 4wd Tahoe I had that weighed 2000 lbs more and got 20mpg on the highway when everything was perfect. And more often than not, pulled 19mpg. With a V8 more than twice the size of the Honda. And that never went above 3Krpm on the highway when passing. Because I had torque.

      I love hearing tales of math-challenged people who buy a new SUV/truck/etc with a 6cyl because they'll save money on fuel. New vehicle=new payment. For what, $100 saving a year in gas?

      And if you talk to anyone with a fullsize truck with a smaller V8 or V6 truck, they get maybe 2mpg better than a V8. And they can't do nearly as much with it.

      If you have a heavy vehicle with no torque, you'll get junk for mpg. To meet 35mpg, we need to see a lot more diesels and a lot less f&#ing heavy vehicles.

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