• Jan 24, 2008
We'll soon need Florida's State Supreme Court to step in and decide this one, as Automotive News is reversing on its report yesterday that General Motors had outsold Toyota globally in 2007 to declare Toyota the winner today. To be fair, yesterday's report that GM had outsold Toyota was based on a Reuters source who claimed the Japanese automaker had sold 9.366 million vehicles in 2007 to GM's 9,369,524 vehicles. Toyota, however, is not scheduled to reveal the exact number of vehicles it sold worldwide in 2007 until later this month.

Regardless of the exact number of vehicles Toyota says it sold last year, Automotive News is declaring it the World's Largest Automaker in 2007 based on the fact that GM included some 516,435 sales from the Chinese Wuling brand. GM only owns 34 percent of Wuling, the majority of which is owned by SAIC. Normally automakers don't report sales for brands in which they don't own a majority interest (that's why Mazda sales are not reported by Ford), and in this case Automotive News is subtracting Wuling sales from GM's total, which drops it down to 8,885,599 units. Toyota's easily got that beat regardless of the exact figure it eventually reports.

From the cheap seats, we can't tell you how much either automaker really cares if it's crowned the World's Largest Automaker in 2007. Nor can we say whether GM including sales figures for a brand that it technically doesn't own is a deliberate play on their part or something completely innocuous and not worth reading into. We'll leave that up to you.

[Source: Automotive News]


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      • 7 Years Ago
      Trying to make too much drama here...
      • 7 Years Ago
      Common !!
      Who cares ,

      Is this title that important?
      For us, the consumers, only care for reasonable price and reliable cars or/and trucks.

      Seyonara.
      • 7 Years Ago
      BUT JOHN I THOUGHT YOU WERE BIASED TOWARDS DOMESTICS

      :rolleyes:
        • 7 Years Ago
        Yea I know, kinda funny.
        • 7 Years Ago
        Bias and misinformation are two totally different things.
      • 7 Years Ago
      AlexP Good point, how about this link.

      http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/toc/08_04/B4068magazine.htm

      Look for the third story titled

      Detroit Is Still Behind, Despite Hard-Won Gains
      • 7 Years Ago
      liK OMG toYOTA conSPIRAZY!!!!!211211211

      Someone had to do it. :D

      But congrats for Toyota. Hopefully GM will now redo the atrociously boring rear-end on the otherwise sexy Malibu.
        • 7 Years Ago
        If your daghter is in a group of majorettes and she is the only one with the right choregraphy, then , maybe she has a problem. Seems to me that your appreciation gets you in this category.
      • 7 Years Ago
      That'll change again in six months.
        • 7 Years Ago
        I will agree with the Malibu comments. It's a paradigm buster, which GM desperately needs right now. The CTS, in my opinion, is tired. The Tundra's marketing campaign is kicking ass, and I can't imagine that not translating into sales.

        I have high hopes for GM, but we'll just have to wait and see.
        • 7 Years Ago
        Andrew, it is called speculation. Thus far I haven't wrong about much. All of the Lambdas are selling strong, the CTS & Malibu's first full year, G8, Astra. GM is really rolling out a long list of new product, thus far, all excellent offerings. Even the now long in the tooth Cobalt is gaining momentum.

        The Enclave, CTS and Malibu, are currently hurting mostly the European models. Not unlike what Lexus, Infiniti and Acura did in the early 90s. However, the Japanese luxury offerings have gone soft and bland. The G35 being the notable exception.

        Remember what a dismal performer the previous gen. Malibu was. Current one is already taking sales from both Toyota and Honda. CAFE and the economy are the biggest obstacles that GM faces right now.

        Here is another limb I am willing to go out on, Tundra won't do as well this year.
      • 7 Years Ago
      This includes Toyota,Hino,Lexus,Dihatsu,and Sion. Does it include Subaru yet?
      • 7 Years Ago
      AlexP...Right, cause i have nothing better to do than to run my own blog
        • 7 Years Ago
        lol, in my attempt to sound like an ass, i sound like an idiot.

        should read:

        Apparently you have many better things to do than to use the reply function.
        • 7 Years Ago
        apparently you have nothing better to do than to learn to use the reply button
      • 7 Years Ago
      OK the world is about to end. LOL
      • 7 Years Ago
      Ooooh! I'm on the edge of my seat.
      • 7 Years Ago
      No big deal. It was bound to happen sooner or later. I think we'll see the numbers shift between the two with regards to who owns the top spot for years to come. And yeah, the numbers are unconfirmed and those saying congrats to Toyota might be a bit premature, but I didn't hear any of the General's advocates saying that we should've waited for their confirmed figures. And for the record, I'm no fan of either brand. If Toyota brings the Supra back, and if the Camaro is fast and cheap, with good quality, then maybe we'll talk.
        • 7 Years Ago
        Good point Franz and the next question then we should ask is for how long they will stay #1? With VW promising to be #1 for 2015-2020 horizon and GM bringing up more "pizzaz" in their products, things will be more harder for Toyota. Also Renault-Nissan goes up as well, there is this French article from late December mentionning then their global sales put then in the #3 spot in front of Ford http://www.leblogauto.com/2007/12/lalliance-avec-avtovaz-propulse-renault-dans-le-gotha-international.html and if RN add a "3rd musketeer" in their alliance (mainly a US automaker, some thinks of Chrysler could be the 3rd partner but depending of how the economy will go for 2008 and 2009, plans might change), everything could happen and I don't mention India and China.

        And I spotted this text from Autoextremist:
        "The big news for Toyota in Detroit during media preview week was that the chinks in their armor manifested themselves in surly, testy and belligerent comments by their executives, totally out of character from the controlled, carefully orchestrated quotes that had always been their trademark in the past. Yuki Funo, CEO of Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A., suggested to Automotive News that the Detroit Three tried to "destroy" their Tundra launch by fighting back with a series of incentives, which he took great umbrage with. He failed to mention, of course, that when the Tundra launch was stalled in the market Toyota added massive incentives to create a false momentum for the brand-new truck - and Detroit responded with incentives of their own. That an executive of Toyota would deign to suggest that Detroit wasn't playing fair is laughable, considering this company has made a killing through the currency manipulation practices of the Japanese government and the fact the company has never turned down an opportunity to exploit the vast disparity between its labor/legacy/health care costs and those of the Detroit Three.

        Then, Toyota CEO Katsuaki Watanabe fired off a series of green pronouncements designed to convince the media that Toyota hadn't lost its green mojo, and that they would maintain their green dominance in the market. The only problem is that the assembled multitudes in the media weren't as willing to concede the green mantle automatically to Toyota as they once did in the past. The media is savvy enough, in spite of their frightening lemming-like thinking at times, to finally get the fact that Toyota has a serious challenger in the market in the presence of General Motors, and that the game has not only changed - it has been blown wide open by the newly aggressive GM.

        One good outcome of the Detroit show is that a brace of reporters got an in-your-face dose of Toyota arrogance in all of its unbridled glory. No longer given a free pass by the media, the cracks in Toyota's usual manufactured sheen were evident for all to see. All of a sudden, Toyota has a real dogfight on its hands and on every front too - technology, efficiency, alternative propulsion systems, quality and market credibility - and they're finally being exposed for what they have been all along: a merely mortal mercenary car company that is as prone to missteps and blatant gaffes as anybody else."
        • 7 Years Ago
        I was not a fan of either until GM started to introduce their new product line. I really think that every new GM is better then the Toyota counter part. I love the interiors of even the Tahoe and it is much better then a Tuntra. I really think that the new CTS has a 60k inerior and beats Lexus by a mile.
        • 7 Years Ago
        RealityCheck - I am with you brother.

        I spent a few hours at the NAIAS yesterday. The new CTS, ZR1 and CTS-V had me drooling. I sat in every Lexus - they are solid cars no doubt, but there was only one IMHO worthy of honorable mention against the new CTS. GM has everything but sales momentum in their corner.
      • 7 Years Ago
      According to businessweek it takes GM 22.2 hours to make one car and it Takes Toyota 22.1.

      I was simply shoked at how much GM improved in that sphere, just look at the graph.

      http://www.tengears.com/home/2008/1/24/detroit-is-still-behind-despite-hard-won-gains.html

      From 28.0 to 22.2 for GM, Ford went from 25.7 to 23.2 and Chrysler 31.3 to 23.4, while all japanese took a hit in that area, especially Nissan they are up from 17.4 hours to 20.5 per vehicle...ALL NUMBERS ARE FROM 2000 to 2006
        • 7 Years Ago
        wtf is up with Mazda's reliability score in this

        And stop advertising your crappy blog, ugh.
        • 7 Years Ago
        Funny- we could statistically show that work hours needed to build a vehicle is inversely proportional to the quality of the product. This of course NOT TRUE, but we could make it look that way.
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