http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/24/ashtrays-and-cigarette-lighters-go-up-in-smoke/ Autoblog Comments for http://www.autoblog.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.autoblog.com en-us Copyright 2008 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/24/ashtrays-and-cigarette-lighters-go-up-in-smoke/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/24/ashtrays-and-cigarette-lighters-go-up-in-smoke/Jan 24th 2008 7:34PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/24/ashtrays-and-cigarette-lighters-go-up-in-smoke/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/24/ashtrays-and-cigarette-lighters-go-up-in-smoke/Jan 24th 2008 7:45PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/24/ashtrays-and-cigarette-lighters-go-up-in-smoke/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/24/ashtrays-and-cigarette-lighters-go-up-in-smoke/
"That just ain't right, since, like Vegas, what happens in your car, stays in your car... "

Except, most smokers smoke with the windows down and keep the cigarettes outside of the car so it ends up going into the air conditioning of the car behind him/her.

You're free to smoke, but do it when you're just standing around. Walking (or driving) behind someone who is smoking is just plain annoying. ]]>Jan 24th 2008 7:53PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/24/ashtrays-and-cigarette-lighters-go-up-in-smoke/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/24/ashtrays-and-cigarette-lighters-go-up-in-smoke/
I can't stand anything more than having cigarettes flung out windows by the assholes smoking in the car in front of me.

I could *maybe* tolerate it if they put their arm out the window and dropped it, but the vast majority fling or flick it out the upper portion of the window and of course, it flies right back at the car behind them.]]>Jan 24th 2008 8:00PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/24/ashtrays-and-cigarette-lighters-go-up-in-smoke/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/24/ashtrays-and-cigarette-lighters-go-up-in-smoke/
No thanks, I don't think the rest of us should have to foot the bill on accessories for your habit. You wanna light up? Spring for the lighter and ashtray yourself. What's next? Standard, no-cost beer cozies for drunk drivers?

And FYI, while people are smoking and driving, they are breaking the law by not keeping both hands on the wheel. Probably not nearly the threat that cell phones are, but you can't deny the fact that they're operating several tons of motive steel while also juggling a stick that is partially ON FIRE. Not exactly a recipe for safety. I'm sure some of those cigarette burns we all come across in used cars are from "accidents."

Not all smokers are bad people, and smoking won't make you a bad person, but all this animosity towards them isn't from nowhere. People genuinely are bothered by having to breathe the smoke. Smokers may not want to admit that (and it's especially easy for them to deny, due to the way that smoking dulls one's sense of smell) but it's true. And while they make efforts to avoid bothering others by not smoking indoors, there are still very few smoke free places outdoors. It's almost impossible to enter large buildings, colleges, apartments, drive with the windows/top down, eat outdoors, or go to the beach without having to breathe second hand smoke.

I'm all for freedom of choice (although how much choice is involved in addiction could be argued), don't get me wrong, but due to the cost-vs.-benefits, I'd just as soon see smoking banned for good. Even then, if you manage to light up and aren't bothering anyone, why would anybody complain? And maybe if you do annoy enough people, you get to deal with an annoying fine or something.]]>Jan 24th 2008 8:55PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/24/ashtrays-and-cigarette-lighters-go-up-in-smoke/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/24/ashtrays-and-cigarette-lighters-go-up-in-smoke/Jan 24th 2008 9:02PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/24/ashtrays-and-cigarette-lighters-go-up-in-smoke/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/24/ashtrays-and-cigarette-lighters-go-up-in-smoke/Jan 25th 2008 5:40PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/24/ashtrays-and-cigarette-lighters-go-up-in-smoke/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/24/ashtrays-and-cigarette-lighters-go-up-in-smoke/Jan 27th 2008 1:52PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/24/ashtrays-and-cigarette-lighters-go-up-in-smoke/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/24/ashtrays-and-cigarette-lighters-go-up-in-smoke/Jan 24th 2008 7:41PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/24/ashtrays-and-cigarette-lighters-go-up-in-smoke/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/24/ashtrays-and-cigarette-lighters-go-up-in-smoke/
While smoking isn't the smartest activity, people should be free to smoke without self-righteous people on their ass all the time.]]>Jan 24th 2008 7:44PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/24/ashtrays-and-cigarette-lighters-go-up-in-smoke/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/24/ashtrays-and-cigarette-lighters-go-up-in-smoke/
While I'm a non-smoker, I won't complain if someone's smoking in his house, but I certainly wouldn't allow them to smoke in the environments I own. Hell, it's logical, and I don't have to tell anyone to do it, because they just do it.

The majority of smokers know they have a problem and won't force that problem down anyone's throat. If they go outside for a smoke they won't disrespect you if you don't follow them.]]>Jan 24th 2008 7:49PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/24/ashtrays-and-cigarette-lighters-go-up-in-smoke/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/24/ashtrays-and-cigarette-lighters-go-up-in-smoke/
Are you also upset because the fat people are hogging all the Jell-O at your local Sizzler?]]>Jan 24th 2008 7:49PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/24/ashtrays-and-cigarette-lighters-go-up-in-smoke/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/24/ashtrays-and-cigarette-lighters-go-up-in-smoke/Jan 24th 2008 7:55PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/24/ashtrays-and-cigarette-lighters-go-up-in-smoke/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/24/ashtrays-and-cigarette-lighters-go-up-in-smoke/
Alcohol and cell phones both cause more innocent deaths than smoking, so maybe everyone that has a cell phone should go and die. Why don't you try to gain a little perspective on the world, Mike, it'll do you good. ]]>Jan 24th 2008 8:07PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/24/ashtrays-and-cigarette-lighters-go-up-in-smoke/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/24/ashtrays-and-cigarette-lighters-go-up-in-smoke/
So where were you "educated" so well that it leads you to believe such simplistic, propagandistic garbage like that? Education is no substitute for common sense. Not to say that I'm a high school dropout...(UC Berkeley, Go Bears!)

And to say that smokers are inconsiderate is a foolish generalization. Almost all smokers I know excuse themselves when they smoke, and always ask if I mind.

As for second-hand smoke, it is harmful, but walking behind someone smoking for 2 minutes is not going to have any kind of measurable effect. Now, parents who smoke in front of young children are very irresponsible, but otherwise, second hand smoke has been blown totally out of proportion.]]>Jan 24th 2008 8:17PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/24/ashtrays-and-cigarette-lighters-go-up-in-smoke/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/24/ashtrays-and-cigarette-lighters-go-up-in-smoke/Jan 24th 2008 8:46PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/24/ashtrays-and-cigarette-lighters-go-up-in-smoke/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/24/ashtrays-and-cigarette-lighters-go-up-in-smoke/I don't think I'm alone in saying that I wish cigarettes were banned outright. If they weren't easily available, nobody would smoke and the world would be a better place.
This sort of thing however, making it harder and harder for people to smoke doesn't help anything. In my state you can't smoke in nightclubs anymore, hell you can't even smoke under covered outdoor areas. People still smoke though, we just feel a little more ostracised and resentful because we are forced to go outside to do so.
Anyway, the lack of ashtrays in cars is of concern particularly here in Australia where bushfires are commonplace. There will always be an element that smokes while driving and if they have nowhere to put the butt, it's asking for trouble.]]>Jan 24th 2008 9:22PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/24/ashtrays-and-cigarette-lighters-go-up-in-smoke/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/24/ashtrays-and-cigarette-lighters-go-up-in-smoke/
the WHO itself says the 1998 study results have been misrepresented. Also, the report did not say that second-hand smoke "never hurt anyone. What it did say was the cancer risk was 16% greater for those exposed to secondhand smoke - the issue was the margin of error of the study was large.
http://www.who.int/inf-pr-1998/en/pr98-29.html

All other reports back the risk of SHS and it is fact that SHS contains harmful chemicals.
http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/Factsheets/SecondhandSmoke.htm

Whatever the risk actually is, the concern of exposure expressed by non-smokers is a fair and honest one.

Having said that, I agree MikeM. statements are way out of line. There are much bigger and better understood problems in the world. ]]>Jan 24th 2008 9:31PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/24/ashtrays-and-cigarette-lighters-go-up-in-smoke/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/24/ashtrays-and-cigarette-lighters-go-up-in-smoke/Jan 25th 2008 4:20PMhttp://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/24/ashtrays-and-cigarette-lighters-go-up-in-smoke/http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/24/ashtrays-and-cigarette-lighters-go-up-in-smoke/Jan 25th 2008 3:55PM