SERIOUSLY! What is going on with the stinkin' FIA! What's next...racing teams can only race Prius-based cars after 2011...good grief!

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It's about Formula One, which normally isn't about the environment. You can burn all the gas you want in your tank of an SUV while the rest of us begin to realize we can't rape the planet for as long as we want and still survive. Please consider restraint when you want to spew your moron-BS.

Regarding F1, I think it's pretty clear that the amount of emissions that F1 puts into the air would be considerably less than Saab increasing their fleet MPG by a tenth of one MPG.

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Za,

"rape the planet"?

See, in a third world country, enviro-Nazis would be hanging off a streetlight, rather than BSing about this and that sh!t, trying to ruin the lives of everyone around them.

Please go back to Autoblog Green.

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Dolomite, I am guessing you didn't even actually didn't even read my post because I am actually not for the restrictions the EU wants to foist upon the FIA - my example was that they'd actually do a better job saving the environment by getting Saab [or Porsche or Renault] to improve their fleet average by a fraction. Or using hybrid buses. Or they could create more efficient airplanes. It's pretty self-evident that a flight from Italy to Britain releases more carbon into the environment than an F1 race. There are so many more important places they could be focusing their misguided, though good, intentions.

And yes, we are "raping the planet". On a side note, the type of person I am is I believe that you shouldn't be allowed to eat meat until you've killed an animal yourself because one needs to know what the implications are. I am not a vegetarian but I have no pretense about what my actions result in. I also don't drive a hybrid, but at least I recognize that. My family has 4 cars, none of which get near 30mpg, but I know what that means.

And on your "third world" comment, I have worked in both India and Ghana in development efforts, and no, I didn't see any eco-Nazis hanging from trees.

One of the groups I have worked with:
http://www.narmada.org/ [NBA]

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Za, please do forgive me if I have misunderstood your comments, but do let me explain myself. I am not a complete oaf.

The part of your post which *ahem* irritated me was this:

"You can burn all the gas you want in your tank of an SUV while the rest of us begin to realize we can't rape the planet for as long as we want and still survive."

To me it is as if you pulled a chapter straight out of Marxist-feminist-enviroNazi-Gaia worshipper-elitist discourse. The way you stated your argument it is as if only *you* care about the planet, and that anyone who does not share your views surely must be committing unspeakable violence against Mother earth.

Do not misunderstand me, I do not have a problem with making sure we do not screw up this planet, as most people know that one should not sh!t where one eats. Obviously enough, nobody wants to be stuck on some miserable planet which can no longer support them, and that feeling is natural, so that everyone is, by nature, an environmentalist. It is the elitism which is a part of present-day environmentalism which people such as myself dislike.

I wish all cars got a hundred miles to the gallon too, as regardless of the pollution a vehicle produces, I do not feel like giving any of my money to the lousy Saudis. However, sometimes what is the right thing to do ecologically is not always the economically viable thing to do, and unless we create a society of millionaires, dollar will always trump the environment.

BTW, since you brought it up, I actually am a vegetarian. You should try it, as trust me, you will get used to it. Watch our for the Iron\V-B12 deficiency though. :p

And if you did not find any eco-Nazis hanging from the street lights in a third world country it was probably because they got rid of street lights for the sake of the environment. :P

But seriously, if you really want to find out, go back to India or Ghana, where the prices of essential goods like gasoline and natural gas (for cooking) are regualted, and propose some items from the modern environmentalist agenda. You know, something simple like "gasoline is too cheap, we need to increase it price by 500% through taxes!", and then see what happens. The revenge of the poor is quite harsh, my friend.

Once again, sorry for any misunderstandings. Believe me, my concern for the environment is not any less than yours, but I prefer the practical reality over the idealistic, and judging from that Narmada project you worked with, I think perhaps you should too. Well, from time-to-time at least.

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1- The cars now are V8 and Before the were V10 after they made the switch from V12.

2-Before that, they were 1.4L 4 cylinder turbo engines that made around 900-1200 bhp

:) just so you know

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And the 1.4L 4-cylinder grenades that BMW and TAG used to make probably used more fuel than the engines do now.

Going to 4 cylinders does not mean a reduction in fuel consumption or emissions because if you want to produce horsepower, you need fuel and lots of it.

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@Hashiryu, I was going to point that out as well. Renault was one of the first and they suffered many loses at first but experimentation and fine tuning they got a few wins under the belt... and then everybody went turbo. If you love the Evo or STI then you can thank in part F1.

As long as there isn't a HP cap then F1 will find the way to get all the power out of 4 bangers. If F1 mandates that engines can't emit more then x g/km of co2, then companies will find a way.

Come on! The entire POINT of F1 is INOVATION. And if the inovation is applicable to daily drivers then it's in OUR best interest.

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@fm.. good points, but people owe the STi and Evo to WRC.

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Actually, back in the F1 turbo era (1980s), the engines were six-cylinder 1.5L mills that in the end put out well over 1000hp - which promptly got them banned. Given today's boost technologies (sequential turbos or regulated pressure wave supercharger), I don't doubt F1 engineers could squeeze stupendous amounts of power out of a 1.5L four-banger and still make it last two full races. Specific fuel consumption would no doubt be excellent - absolute fuel economy less so. Note that F1 teams have long used highly proprietary fuel blends featuring high concentrations of high-octane alcohols such as toluene.

The bigger issue with reducing cylinder count is that the vehicle's rear end becomes shorter, which messes with the aerodynamics. They could add an integrated starter-generator and, replace the tungsten weight tuning slab with an ultracapacitor bank. However, there is little enthusiasm among motor sports purists for going down the hybrid road.

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Hahaha! That was funny!

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LOL!

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