Drivers gear up for Dakar 2008
With the 2008 Lisbon-Dakar Rally confirmed to proceed, a star-studded roster of drivers is shaping up for what promises to be an exciting event spanning two continents over the course of two weeks.
Robby Gordon will be returning for the fourth time to fight for America's glory in, what else... a Hummer (pictured above). The NASCAR star will be competing against a host of rally champions, including double WRC champ and 2007 FIA Cross Country Cup winner Carlos Sainz (VW Touareg), and Monte Carlo rally winner Bruno Saby who will be driving the late Colin McRae's BMW. Two former F1 drivers, Ukyo Katayama and Tiago Monteiro, will be also competing, along with Vanina Ickx, daughter of famed grand prix and Le Mans winner Jacky Ickx.
All these drivers will be aiming to oust Mitsubishi, which has dominated the dunes and won the rally every year since 2001. Mitsubishi will be fielding no less than four Pajero/Montero this year in the event, which is set to depart from Lisbon, Portugal, on January 5 and finish in Dakar, Senegal on January 20. Watch this space for coverage.
[Source: Autosport]
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Taylor 9:30PM (1/02/2008)
Are there no Jeeps? Surely there has to be, HUMMERs, especially the H3 is horrible for off-roading...
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Brent 11:09PM (1/02/2008)
It is like NASCAR, there isn't any Hummer parts on that thing.
Mr. Oak 11:11PM (1/02/2008)
Shhaup Jackass, ALL Hummers H2/ H3 included, are really great off road vehicles, the only people that think otherwise, are people that NEER drove one. Better than anything you ever drove. You are just parrotting other clowns. H2/h3 are amongst the best off-road vehicles on this freaking planet. Range Rover/Land Rover/Land Crusiers included.
Do yer reasearch before you run yer mouth. I Need references? Hit me back.
why not the LS2/LS7? 11:42PM (1/02/2008)
Depends on your type of offroading. The independent front suspension of a H2 is pretty good in sand, but has limited travel and so isn't good for bouldering.
Note the suspension on the pictured "H3" has both super long travel and independent wheel travel. This isn't the case on street versions though, partly because it's tough to pull off with the front drive axle, which this vehicle lacks since it is technically a buggy, not a truck.
Alex K 9:37PM (1/02/2008)
Those things are so heavily modified that the only relevancy the vehicle pictured above has to an H3 is that it looks enough like one to be useful to the folks in the Hummer marketing department. They've fixed all the issues that make a normal H3 a useless hunk of metal.
I'm more interested in the guys running the Forester:
http://www.leblogauto.com/2007/12/un-subaru-forester-sur-le-dakar.html
http://news-images.caradisiac.com/IMG/jpg/1/3/2/1/9/Subaru-Forester_Dakar-1_grande.jpg
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why not the LS2/LS7? 10:48PM (1/02/2008)
The HUMMER pictured is no more relation to a HUMMER than the VW Touaregs are related to Touaregs.
No, there are no Jeeps in the race, at least not the last couple years. You couldn't get a real Jeep through Dakar (under the time limit at least) and so you need a quite heavily modded vehicle, and I guess Jeep doesn't assist/sponsor people to mod Jeeps.
For some reason, I love to see Robby Gordon keep racing in Dakar even though he clearly has no change of winning. The last couple years he has just gotten to where he knows the ropes and is starting to make vehicles which even come close to being able to finish. In the next 2-3 years, if he gets the right sponsorships and some luck, he could finally make the podium.
The best part is he seems fine with that. Despite being a long-time offroad racer he doesn't seem to show any sign that he feels that the press should be treating him as a favorite or that a sponsor should ride in and hand him a winning vehicle on a silver platter.
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Guenther 7:52AM (1/03/2008)
You most certainly could campaign a Jeep in the stock classes- and could do quite well. Particularly the WK and JK in diesel trim have the most important attributes necessary. No one did last year.
Mr. Oak 11:15PM (1/02/2008)
BTW: I wasn't referring to these one-off specialised vehicles, I was talking bout the otuer garden variety HUMMERS. They are actually amongst the best off-road vehicles on the planet.
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Mr. Oak 11:30PM (1/02/2008)
@ LS2/LS7: "For some reason, I love to see Robby Gordon keep racing in Dakar even though he clearly has no change of winning."
Yo DAWG, Robbie has a better chance of winning the DAKKAR, than any DAKKar winner has of winner has of winning the BAJA 1000, A much more gruelling race than the DAKKAR. The greatest challenge in the DAKKAR, on not getting yer ride car-jacked. They've done it before.
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why not the LS2/LS7? 11:48PM (1/02/2008)
I agree the Baja is incredible. However, there's a lot to learn about Dakar. Navigation on the Baja is trivial, especially if you've driven it many times like Gordon has. And as grueling as the single day of the 1000 is, it's just a single day and the Dakar goes on for days and days.
I know Gordon can win the Dakar, he already has the core skills, he just needs to refine his Dakar-specific knowledge.
Note I'm not saying Gordon can't win due to his skills anyway, he so far has not had a vehicle capable of winning. But he's no dope. You don't need to have a vehicle capable of winning the first couple years because mostly you're just learning the ropes and you only need to finish to do that, not win.
His vehicle was close to capable of winning last year. I think he was kind of caught out by the restrictions on fuel though. I'm sure he learned form that and will be back better than ever this year. And if he ever does well enough in the privateer-dominated buggy (2WD) class, he will find it easier to get the level of sponsorship (probably werks assistance) needed to compete in the much richer 4WD class.
Solo Racer 11:58PM (1/02/2008)
How many competitors in the Baja have gotten lost and died? Before GPS, the Dakar's permanent attrition rate was about one per year.
why not the LS2/LS7? 12:06AM (1/03/2008)
Navigation via GPS is not allowed in Dakar. They do use a GPS lock-in system for checkpoints which I honestly think is BS, but they didn't ask me and I don't put my butt on the line out there so probably they shouldn't.
No one dies due to getting lost in Dakar, at least not recently. Honestly, they die when their vehicle (usually a motorcycle) catches a rut and flips over. I forget how many people died last year, but two died the year before including a past winner.
Dakar tracks the entrants and makes efforts to find people who aren't in by the next morning. If they can't get them on radio, then they'll start searching. Most of the time they know where they are already. All contestants are expected to carry enough supplies to get through the night.
nagmashot 2:02AM (1/03/2008)
that are two completely different kind of Rallys..
Dakar is MUCH MUCH longer asking much more endurance from driver and car bike and truck... 5650 Dakar miles > ~ 1000 Baja miles
Good a Baja means nothing at Dakar..
Good at Dakar means nothing at Baja...
The Dakar asked since 1978 over 56lifes...
in 2006 3 were killed(1 biker 2spectators)
in 2007 2 were killed(2 biker one in a accident one for unknown reason at the 14. stage)
The high challenge of the Dakar is that driver service and teams have no time to rest and recover ... in 2006 they had 17 stages at 17days and only one day brake to recover for the drivers and for the team to repair the cars.. this is the reason for the extrem low finishing numbers... from all started cars and bikes less than the half see the finish.
The other stress is that there is a maximum time limit ..in this limit the drivers need to fnish single stages.. if they are unable they are out of the race..
NewJerseyBMW 1:02AM (1/03/2008)
They are all dead meat I'll be there racing in my CR-V with intake and exhaust
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Silver 96 Z28 2:34AM (1/03/2008)
Here is a site from one of Robby's Sponsors, they are blogging the whole race. It has more shots of the Hummers being built.
http://www.toyo.com/dakarrally/
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Mobius_1 4:22AM (1/03/2008)
I really wanna take a LM002 there just for fun!!!
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Armada 5:58AM (1/03/2008)
@ Mr. Oak.
Actually, the Lan drover and Landcruiser will outperform the Hummers on some terrains.
On sand the hummer has the advantage, but in the mud and the jungle the Land Rover (especially the Defender) and the Landcruiser will leave the hummer behind easily because of the weight and size.
One other thing. If the hummer is really that good, than why is it that it hasn't won the Dakkar yet?
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Bubba 12:17PM (1/03/2008)
Does anyone know what the best english-language TV coverage of the Dakar is? Is it a program from Britain? Australia? I have to believe it gets better than OLN....
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thePeterN 2:00PM (1/03/2008)
Here are a bunch of interviews with the drivers. Gordon says his Hummer this year is 500kg lighter. That's quite a weight difference! Hopefully it's nimble enough for the European stages, as they have more of them this year.
I do not see the OLN's Daily updates on my DVR schedule, so we may only get weekly updates this year. I didn't think their coverage could suck more, but I guess they found a way.
http://www.dakar.com/2008/DAK/presentation/us/r3_1-interviews.html
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nagmashot 2:13PM (1/03/2008)
the Hummer is small compared to that ...and they race Dakar too...
http://www.autobild.de/ir_img/38681318_51aa959d2f.jpg
http://www.autobild.de/ir_img/38681348_037dc7b058.jpg