• Dec 28, 2007
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A Lexus LF-A mule has unofficially recorded a lap time on the Nordschleife of 7 minutes, 24 seconds. This is not in dispute. What is in dispute is how many seconds faster the LF-A's lap time is than that of the 2008 Porsche 911 GT2, the previous "King of the 'Ring" record holder. Wikipedia notes that the fastest 911 GT2 driven around the Ring posted a lap time of 7 minutes, 32 seconds and was driven by Walter Röhrl, Porsche's company test driver and accomplished WRC driver and road racing pilot. Porsche was so proud of the feat that it produced a snazzy video of the run that you can watch here. AutoExpress, however, which reported on the LF-A's remarkable lap time, claims that the fastest 911 GT2 lap time on the Nurburgring is 7 minutes, 25 seconds, but we could find no evidence on the web of a stock 911 GT2 ever posting a time that fast. Also note that a handful of other cars have posted lap times, but all are either tuner cars or limited production boutique cars like the Pagani Zonda F.

Nevertheless, the Lexus LF-A's time is remarkable and puts it in a class normally populated by purpose-built tuner cars. Its 4.8L V10 churns out a reported 552bhp while slapping the needle against a 9,000 rpm redline. A 210 mph top speed is said to be the car's upper bound, which makes us shake our heads. This is, after all, the brand that brought us the sarcophagus of a car that is the LS sedan. The production LF-A should be able to repeat the performance, but we'll have to wait a while longer while the Lexus supercar finishes baking in the oven. In the meantime, for Pete's sake, someone ship a Corvette ZR1 to Germany!

[Source: AutoExpress]



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      • 7 Years Ago
      ever ridden an SC430 (convertible one)? The run flat tires on that car make the ride decidedly un-Lexus-like. Rest of the car is very supple, subdued, but if they can put out a car that rides over bumps like a bicycle, I'd expect a nice, stiff suspension. I just hope they don't insulate that engine noise too much. That would be a crying shame.
        • 7 Years Ago
        arg, meant to be a reply to earlier post...
      • 6 Years Ago
      The Radical SR8 and the Donkykart are really just high-powered go-karts given street legal status. Anyone with half a brain can see that they're not like an ordinary sports car, so their nurburgring lap times aren't particularly worthy of any serious attention in terms of sports car performance.
      • 7 Years Ago
      Of course Lexus must compete with Porsche when building a sports car. Porsche sents a benchmark by which others are measured, and not only in terms of speed. Why do you think Nissan took a Porsche everywhere the GT-R went to be tested?
      • 7 Years Ago
      What is the price for performance? Honestly, any manufacturer can make a "Porsche" vehicle, it's whether or not they and mass produce and sell it at a "reasonable" cost that's the question. The GT-R is $70K (won't sell for that with dealer scum gouging) but the LF-A will not go for less than $100K MSRP, wouldn't be surprised if $120K. For that, honestly, I'd get the Porsche for the "name" :p
        • 7 Years Ago
        There are rumors that Zeng Lintang, vice president of Toyota Motor (China) Investment Co, said that the LF-A will sell "for more than 2 million yuan." By comparison, in China, a Porsche 911 GT3 RS sells for about 1.9 million yuan, and a Ferrari F430 sells for about 2.6 million yuan. Of course, you cannot simply convert yuan to USD to get the US pricing. By using the Porsche, Ferrari, and even LS600L pricing as a reference, the LF-A will probably sell around $130,000 USD in the U.S. So pretty much Porsche turbo, Aston Martin Vantage, Audi R8, or Mercedes SL money.
      • 7 Years Ago
      @ Nagmashot

      The only people who care are those who can't buy that porsche.

      So.....Everyone....
        • 7 Years Ago
        I doubt anyone could've said it better. Good one.
      • 7 Years Ago
      Nah, Im sure the Z1 Corvette will have too much torque steering to do any turns at the ring...Jus kidding
      • 7 Years Ago
      "Yes, little ol' Porsche. . . you know, that little ol' car manufacturer that is little ol' Ferrari's main rival. . . that little ol' car manufacturer that is one of the most successful car manufacturers, across many branches of auto racing, in history (scoring a total of more than 28,000 victories). The world's largest race car manufacturer. The most prestigious automobile brand by Luxury Institute, New York. The benchmark of performance vehicles. 30.9% owner of little ol' Volkswagen AG, which owns a bunch of nobody car manufacturers such as Audi (which owns little ol' Lamborghini and SEAT), Bentley, Bugatti, and Skoda."

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      Still...compared to Toyota, they are all a bunch of little ants compared to an elephant. Toyota has a net worth so huge, all the others seem like little pennies to them. LOL! Toyota is the biggest and richest automaker, by far!!!
      • 7 Years Ago
      I'd be curious to know what tires the Lexus was running on versus what the Porsche was running on.
        • 7 Years Ago
        The GT2 comes with semi-slick Michelin Pilot Sport Cups; the car really is a track car. It lacks a rear-seat and you can specify the "Clubsport package" which comes with a roll-cage, six-point harness, and fire extinguisher for free.

        The LF-A probably has tires that are close to what it wants in production. Likely a custom compound specially designed for the LF-A by the manufacture. There is no point testing a mule on anything else.
      • 7 Years Ago
      Well, if Porsche is that small...Why u think it bought VW?
        • 7 Years Ago
        This must be some car to burn the 599GTB, GTR, and so many others that badly..
      • 7 Years Ago
      Ha ha... well, is there any verification? I mean, a mysterious testmule with unknown data sets a good laptime...?!

      It is funny how the biggest carmaker of the world has to compete with little Porsche, haha!
        • 7 Years Ago
        Don't forget porsche's crazy profit margins.
        • 7 Years Ago
        Hard to believe that a very large company with an incredibly small performance division has to compete with a large company dedicated to performance cars?

        I don't get your point.
        • 7 Years Ago
        "Don't forget porsche's crazy profit margins."

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        I expect Ferrari's margin of profit per car to be greater than Porsche's. But if we were to talk about net profit in one fiscal year, no one is even close to Toyota's. In fiscal year 2007, Toyota is expected to earn $15B in net profits. No other automaker can even come close to half of that. Toyota is the king of profits and sales!!!
        • 7 Years Ago
        "little Porsche"

        Yes, little ol' Porsche. . . you know, that little ol' car manufacturer that is little ol' Ferrari's main rival. . . that little ol' car manufacturer that is one of the most successful car manufacturers, across many branches of auto racing, in history (scoring a total of more than 28,000 victories). The world's largest race car manufacturer. The most prestigious automobile brand by Luxury Institute, New York. The benchmark of performance vehicles. 30.9% owner of little ol' Volkswagen AG, which owns a bunch of nobody car manufacturers such as Audi (which owns little ol' Lamborghini and SEAT), Bentley, Bugatti, and Skoda.
      • 7 Years Ago
      testmules laptime who cares?

      If they want the title for fastest production car they should do the lap with a production car not a testmule!

      Fastest street legal production car at the Ring is the Radical SR8 with 6:55min since 28.September 2005
      Second fastest production car at the Ring is the Radical SR3 Turbo with 7:11min
      third fastest production car at the Ring is the Donkervoort D8 7:14min

      I am pretty sure Radical has build currently more cars of the SR8, SR3 line up as Lexus will ever made of their LF-A that they only can sell in the USA..

      Till the LF-A comes to the show room Porsche has something new and faster...

      This is the fastest lap ever in a road legal production car at the Ring
      http://videos.streetfire.net/video/3795745c-9723-4795-8ddb-a5332bb35aa8.htm

      • 7 Years Ago
      The great debate begins. And I'll bet we'll hear the usual "'Ring times don't mean squat" comments. Well, the fact that all the fastest, best handling cars on the road today all do pretty well at the Nurburgring says it all. Any car that handles that bumpy, twisty track with all it's elevation changes and mix of high and low speed turns will pretty much handle very well anywhere else.
      I love where this is going. The Japanese supercars are on the comeback trail. Let's hope Toyota can put this thing into production soon, with near identical performance to this test mule, and kick some GT-R and ZR1 butt along the way too. Let the records fall, and the competition heat up. It only means good things for the consumers who are in the market for performance cars of this caliber. Are you listening Honda? Where's our NSX? It'd better be bloody good if you want to play with these big boys. Competition is such a lovely thing.
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