• Dec 8, 2007
We all know that the money that we drivers pay for taxes on the fuel we use is supposed to go to pay for the roads where we consume the fuel, right? Not so fast there buddy! Many of us at one time or another have also encountered law enforcement efforts that were clearly meant more for revenue enhancement than safety enhancement. Yes Livonia MI, we're talking to you! Does having five cruisers lined up beside a fast food restaurant picking off drivers going 3-4mph over the limit really improve safety on Middlebelt Rd?

It now appears that that those state and local police agencies have an extra incentive to write even more tickets. They can earn free police pursuit vehicles courtesy of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) and your fuel tax dollars. NHTSA's National Law Enforcement Challenge Award judges police agencies based on ticket counts, taking away points if they don't have a "no warning" policy. They also give bonus points for innovative methods such as camouflaging officers as tourists or Santa Claus. The top ranked departments earn free cruisers such as Hemi Chargers and Magnums equipped with cold air intakes and Borla exhaust systems.

[Source: TheNewspaper.com]





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      • 7 Years Ago
      "Borla exhaust systems"

      Which a lot of dumb or abusive cops in Cali will tell the owner is "an illegally modified exhaust," which it is not.

      NHTSA's run by a former LIFE insurance industry lobbyist who doesn't know her ass from normally aspirated.
      • 7 Years Ago
      I think thats a load of bs giving police prizes for giving people tickets. As if they dont give you enough crap already. Whats funny around here is if you get pulled over for speeding not just one officer comes, you get atleast 3-4 police/cruisers all together pulling you over.


      Short story about my last ticket.

      I was riding around town a couple years ago, got together with a couple other guys and we were all driving together. So we turn off left on a side road and all 3 of us take off after turning and get up to about 60 mph in a 45 mph zone.. Well guess what I see lights in the mirror so we all pull over. And the officer gives us all tickets for reckless driving. Can you believe that? And whats worse is, I look at the ticket and it has no speed listed at all. And the officer just hands me the tickets and walks to the next car without telling me any speed or anything else other than reckless driving..

      Of course I was doing really nothing wrong other than going a few miles over but damn. I paid the fine and took a 1 hour driving school.. Gay
      • 7 Years Ago
      Aren't police supposed to enforce the laws we all agree on? I wonder what percent of the local population of Livonia, MI would agree that this is a good policy?

      Using the fines from tickets to pay for anything but damages directly related to the crime is a HUGE conflict of interest. Here in LA it's a known fact that police use confusing and/or congested intersections to their advantage in order to give out more tickets without having to do much work. It is appalling that they would choose this method rather than fix the signage to make the problem intersections more clear or change the lights to allevieate congestion problems.

      On top of that, CHP does nothing but hand out speeding tickets, the occasional DUI, and maybe a handful of unfit for the road penalties (ie: overloaded truck bed, but there have to be sparks out the back for them to notice). There are so many other offences out there beyond speeding that are infinitely worse (illegal lane change, insufficient speed to merge on to freeway, weaving in traffic, tailgating, gross poluters, obstructing traffic flow, etc.) than safely driving 10 miles over the speed limit (which I also don't recall any of us voting on). I'd just as soon generate that revenue by eliminating the CHP entirely since they hardly serve a purpose beyond harrassing the general public now anyway.
        • 7 Years Ago
        We don't need need any more Ontario radar traps, psarhjinian. Don't tell me they're all honest. Look at Eglinton and Leslie by the rail bridge (assuming you live in Toronto), and you'll see cops there practically every day. They're not there for safety, they're just there to catch cars going a few km over the limit, coming down from a crest in a hill.
          • 7 Years Ago
          I'll agree that we don't need more of Eglinton/Leslie (or my favourite: Renforth south of Eglinton; or the Humber bridge at Bloor) type speed-traps. They're a revenue generator and a waste of an officer's time.

          I was pulled over by a K9 officer on Bloor. I think that, if I wasn't driving my wife to the hospital, he might have written me a ticket, to which I would have replied: "Don't you and your furry friend have somne cocaine to find somewhere?" I mean, geeze, a K9 cruiser on traffic duty _on a bridge_?

          I maintain, though, that I have no problem with using cameras where it's a waste of an officer's time _and_ a true safety issue.

          A camera-enforced 120km/h on the 401. Unless, by some miracle, they start pulling over actual unsafe drivers, rather than just easy marks. The way I see it is this: the cameras take care of speeding, freeing up the officers to actually pull over unsafe drivers. Currently, they're focusing on speed because it's an easy mark.

          Speed cameras in school zones and 25-40km/h residential areas (sorry, but if you speed in a residential zone you deserve to have the book thrown at you

          Red light cameras anywhere. Red means stop. If you think Red means "Go Faster", again, you deserve the ticket--and more--for potentially killing someone.

          It'd also be a nice touch for them to sign the camera's presence. Stealth cameras are dirty pool.
        • 7 Years Ago
        I agree with you so much I could kiss you.
        • 7 Years Ago
        It would be fair to give $5 to everybody who reports an offence leading to a ticket.
        You could stand at a busy intersection in LA with a videocamera, record everything, and get your own Magnum very soon.

        • 7 Years Ago
        Speeding is an easy conviction. You have an objective record ion the form of the radar reading and the signs are very obviously posted.

        It's much harder to bag someone for, say, unsafe lane changes or tailgating. I've yet to hear of it happening, but I get tailgated (by semis, no less) about every time I'm on Hwy. 401 (and yes, I'm going 10 over the limit at the time, so the "you're not going sat enough" doesn't apply).

        Personally, I want photo radar back. As much as people complained and as much as it wasn't fair, it kept the jackasses who went 140+ off my tail. It also takes the officer out of the equation, eliminating the whole subjectivity aspect: if you run a red, or speed through a school zone, I personally have no issue with a camera snapping your plate and monstrous fine appearing in your letterbox.

        Yes, I know you might not have been driving the car at the time. If it wasn't stolen, you're still responsible for extracting the money from your friend/child/spouse.
      • 7 Years Ago

      Cops turning into capitalist pigs!

      Welcome to MetroPolice State.
        • 7 Years Ago
        Boycott Borla and Chrysler, I'm sure they lobbied for this to get some sales at all of our expense.
      • 7 Years Ago
      If you don't speed you won't get caught, and won't contribute to this organized racket. That's that simple.
      • 7 Years Ago
      Do I suspect a police officer here ^... Hmm..

      Well thats true but it isnt quite that simple.. As some of the other guys already said, A good majority of the time you have might geting pulled over for doing just 3-4 mph over the limit. That sometimes can not be avoided, for instance. Somone is driving 10 mph under the speed limit and you go to pass them, in order to pass them you might have get above the speed limit by 3-4 mph for just a bit to pass. And right there you get a ticket for speeding if the cop feels like it.
      • 7 Years Ago
      I ride a zx12r and a hayabusa and it is rare that I stop for a cop(if I see them) that tries to pull me over. After 34 years of driving cars and bikes on the street, I firmly believe most speeding tickets are simply revenue boosters for local agencies and I would rather not contribute. In Pennsylvania as an attempt to stop local cops from setting up bogus speed traps, only state troopers are permitted to use radar for speed enforcement(or bothering citizens for revenue). Although not recommended for most, my "pin it and win it" policy has worked for me.
      • 7 Years Ago
      The police ticketing system needs to be revised in a way so that it is not revenue driven to prevent things like this from occurring. We need to come up with a better point system when you get a ticket.
      • 7 Years Ago
      For some reason this does not surprise me. and it really upsets me.

      I happened to talk about this to a Federal Police friend of mine over the weekend that confirmed ...off the record... that there are quotas and incentives for police`officers or for at least tickets that police give out.

      BTW I recently saw Hemis like the on the posted image advertised at the Goverment auction http://www.Gov-Auctions.org
      • 7 Years Ago
      I live in Metro Detroit area and yes Livonia's cops are not tough for the right reasons, they are simply corrupt. I have a lot of dirt on them, and if it ever were going to get out some of them would be in deep deep trouble. Livonia, Farmington, Farmington Hills, Saline, Rochester, Rochester Hills, Troy, Bingham Farms, Franklin - they all engage in nasty tactics.

      Bloomfield, Birmingham cops just drive around to bust kids with weed on them, but they're much lenient on minor offenses. Even if they write you a ticket, often times they'll encourage the judge to give an impeding traffic ticket (which does not go on your record, or gives points), and just pay the fine.

      But look this is nothing new, a lot of police agencies are corrupt and this is merely just another example of how people in US get screwed.

      rgt881@gmail.com
      • 7 Years Ago
      That is BULLS**T.

      I live in Texas, and in Texas, the law is that on the highway, the far left lane of the highway is for passing only. So I don't see what the big deal is that I'm driving in a straight line, going about 10-15 miles an hour over the speed limit so long as I'm not weaving in and out of traffic or tailgating. I think it's MUCH more dangerous for police officers and state troopers to sit on the side of the highway with all of their lights off.

      Tickets are SUPPOSED to be about the safety of the public, but speeding doesn't necissarily equate to driving unsafely.

      Quick story: It was new years and I was driving back to my apartment from seeing my parents. The speed limit was 65 and I was doing probably 80 (in the fast lane.) I see a state trooper on the side of the road too late (he had all of his lights off) so I slow down and pull off at the next exit...fortunately I got a warning. The funny thing was, he didn't even say anything about me speeding...which kinda makes me think even some cops think the speed limits being enforced the way they are is just dumb.
      • 7 Years Ago
      You sound like a rude young lady and if that's your pic in the avatar I can understand why - you look like a pussy. lol
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