• Nov 28th 2007 at 10:58AM
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How many E85 pumps do you have nearby? Odds are, not very many. Meanwhile, production of ethanol continues to climb and more corn is being consumed for fuel production. That's driving up prices of grain for livestock feed. All in all almost no one is happy. In spite the fact that people are starting to realize that corn ethanol is clearly not a panacea, there may actually be an upside to this. Perhaps the increased price of feed grain will encourage more livestock producers to get them off the feed lots and go back to grazing cattle on grass like they were meant to. That would probably help reduce the incidents of toxic E Coli and methane emissions. Cattle aren't supposed to eat grains, anyway, and can't really digest them properly.

[Source: Wall Street Journal]

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      • 7 Years Ago
      Actually Murc, ABG has no base. The team is scattered in various locations and currently we don't have anyone in California. In the Ann Arbor, MI area where I live there are two E85 pumps available.
      • 7 Years Ago
      from the article:"How many E85 pumps do you have nearby? Odds are, not very many."

      Just cause this site is based out of california doesn't mean you should ignore the rest of the US.

      I live is South Dakota....there is E-85 pumps all over the place.

      E-85 has a growing user base...which is a good thing. The future for cars, is to go all electric...we all know that. But a cheap & good electric car for the masses is still several years away. so in the meantime, get used to E-85 & hybrids.
      • 7 Years Ago
      Um- #8- bioburner- tell your teenager that there are only less than 500g in a pound. Even though beans are 'the magical fruit', they cannot contain more of something than they weigh. further, they're are about 10% water, 5% fiber, the rest is carbs, protein and fat.
      I have an E-85 station right by my house- not that I care much, since my vehicle doesn't use it. Corn is bad for ethanol, but cellulosic ethanol plants are on the way soon.
      Cows around here are fed sileage, which is the whole corn plant ground up.
      • 7 Years Ago
      E85 costs 10% less than gas, but gets 25% worse mileage. The cost/benefit is just not there.

      Someday I'm going to have a small wind turbine on my property generating electricity for a plug-in hybrid.
      • 7 Years Ago
      I find it amusing when some city slicker tries to tell farmers how to run their business. Cows have no problem digesting grains, except possibly wheat - the gluten in wheat can trap gas and cause bloating if large quantities are consumed.

      Farmers and ranchers will graze cattle on pastureland whenever it is practical to do so, as it can save a lot of work. However, pastures are not always available, particularly when covered in snow. Dairy cows must be milked 2 or 3 times a day, and rounding up cows from large pastures 2 to 3 times every day might be too much of a hassle.
      • 7 Years Ago
      Cattle are indeed built to live on grasses, but taste far better when "fed out" on grain/corn for at least a few weeks prior to slaughter. The high-quality beef you get at a steak house was probably fed out for a couple months or more. Speaking from my experience as a former 4-H member and as a current consumer of my parents' home grown cattle.
      • 7 Years Ago
      The subsidies are paid to the oil companies to make them mix ethanol in to the gas.Cellulosic ethanol is already being produced in this country and will soon put the corn ethanol production on history channel where it belongs.Cellulosic ethanol is great for the environment the economy and solves waste issues.You don't need a plug and you don't need a new car.
      • 7 Years Ago
      The high price of corn (and the ripple effect to all other crops as more land is devoted to corn production) is going to have a multiplied effect in the price of meat; it takes a lot of crops to grow an animal, especially when you think about the relatively small amount of meals a cow produces versus all the feed it eats.

      As I've said before, a farmland crunch is inevitable as the world population grows. Corn ethanol is accelerating things. We're approaching an era where meat of any kind is considered a luxury food.
      • 7 Years Ago
      I'm happy. There are a lot of pumps where I live. And I'm not a farmer!

      I like farmers more than I like terrorists. Ethanol is a good stop-gap to divert money away from unstable countries until we switch to electric cars.
      • 7 Years Ago
      #16 it equates to $0.01 a mile in my pickup.

      ? - a penny that stays in the u.s. OOOOOORRRRRRR a penny that supports the terrourist that we are spending billions to subdue.

      electricity - will be welcome when they can produce enough engine power to produce food for everyone
      • 7 Years Ago
      Actually, bioburner, ground beef is about 25% protein and soybeans are less than 20%. Tofu, which is processed soy, only has about 40g of protein per pound. You should verify your sources.

      Your question about the efficiency of meat production is a good one though.
      • 7 Years Ago
      I live is South Dakota....there is E-85 pumps all over the place.

      Actually it's because the population aren't where the pumps are. Regardless which edge of the country you want to pick.

      Also, frankly according to the GAO, only 1% of all ethanol sold in 2006 was E85.
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