• Nov 27th 2007 at 5:02PM
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The evidence: rumor had it at the LA Auto Show that customers would soon have the option of buying a hybrid Toyota Matrix and a hybrid Pontiac Vibe; the 2009 Pontiac Vibe is made at NUMMI, a GM-Toyota joint venture manufacturing plant where the Matrix is also made; Toyota's already got its hybrid synergy drive -- so is GM working on a hybrid with Toyota, or will they use Toyota's hybrid tech to work in the Vibe?
The evidence is circumstantial, certainly. But it's possible. Lutz said at the recent Reuters Auto Summit that, no matter what GM thinks of hybrids, the company made a mistake letting Toyota get so far ahead with hybrids such that now the Japanese brand has become practically synonymous with hybrids and is perceived to be atop a green moral high ground. True, there's the Volt, and GM might not be doing anything with Toyota at all and it could just be a rumor. Or GM could surprise us with something completely new -- it wouldn't be the first time.

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      • 7 Years Ago
      If toyota v8's had near the efficiency of GMs they would make and sell more. GM has the lowest friction lightest engines and have AFM. The are time with very late intake valve closing and run effectively as atkinson cycle engines. toyota has high friction engines and all 8 run all the time, regardless of load. as it is, toyota 8s are fuel hogs.
      • 7 Years Ago
      To add to my previous comments, HSD would still likely be the method of choice since the Vibe uses a Toyota platform and powertrain (GM just directs the sheetmetal design for the car).
      • 7 Years Ago
      GM has very little say on what they can do with the Vibe, Im pretty sure that if they want a hybrid vibe, it will be the same as the Matrix. As I recall, GM only has say in the design of the vehicle but rest is up to Toyota.
      • 7 Years Ago
      I think the Matrix/Vibe deal has Toyota in charge of the vehicle engineering, so I highly doubt you can call this "working together."
      • 7 Years Ago
      Guenther, 2Mode is much more adaptable to different vehicles than HSD because the electric drive is a part of the transmission itself, which is of no greater size or dimension than another conventional 6 speed. Toyota has to essentially redesign its platform to accomodate its large electric motor plus the CVT for its hybrid system. GM is working on several versions for FWD and AWD vehicles, including the '09 Vue, plus stay tuned for Zeta/Sigma and Lambda 2Modes in the future, with many more versions likely as they come along with the product strategy for the upcoming DeltaII and EpsilonII global platforms.
      • 7 Years Ago
      And up until last year

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      • 7 Years Ago
      Just using the same 1.8L engine isn't enough to have the hybrid powertrain be used in other models. The platform has to be engineered (or have enough flexibility designed into it) that there's room for the battery pack and other parts of the hybrid drivetrain. They can't just drop it into the engine bay.

      On the other hand, GM's mild hybrid and forthcoming two-mode systems are far less mechanically and physically intrusive, and might be able to be retrofit into a larger number of models without as much re-engineering of the host platform.

      I'd be VERY interested in a hybrid Vibe/Matrix. The only other hybrid out there that meets our current size/price/MPG requirements is the Ford Escape Hybrid. No thanks.

      Hybrid versions of the Matrix and Vibe would hit a sweet spot for those who find the Civic and Prius too small, but also find the hybrid SUVs to be too big or not efficient enough.
      • 7 Years Ago
      A hybrid Matrix/Vibe would be awesome. I dont care who's hybrid system it uses but I would assume it would use the HSD. We need more choices that can achieve Prius like MPG with looking like a turd (just my opinion that the Prius is unattractive). And we've all met someone who likes the way the Prius looks just because it lets everyone know they have a hybrid, giving them a feeling of moral superiority. I dont need that feeling, but it would be nice to average 50mpg in an attractive car with functional space.
      • 7 Years Ago
      If it happens, my money is on GM using existing Toyota technology because Toyota surely will not use a GM system when they have already established themself as the hybrid leader. It would be most cost-effective to share the components, as they do on the current vehicles, and keep costs down. If Toyota does a hybrid Matrix, what about the the Corolla and Scion xD? They too use the exact same 1.8L.
      • 7 Years Ago
      The Matrix is made in Canada. Nummi makes the Tacoma, Corolla (also made in Canada ) and the Vibe.
      • 7 Years Ago
      A sighting was just made in Boulder, CO by a PriusChat member:


      Could it be... real?
      • 7 Years Ago
      The most important thing to note from all of this is that Toyota makes better quality cars than General Motors. Buy Toyota!
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