VW & DaimlerChrysler put out more CO2 than last year... kind of
In 1998, the European Automobile Manufacturers' Association said that in ten years it wanted cars to put out 140g of CO2 per kilometer. According to the latest report from Transport & Environment, a "green pressure group" according to the BBC, only two makers are close to that, and two out of three German car makers have raised their fleet CO2 levels since 1998. Along with Suzuki, VW and DaimlerChrysler were the only two automakers in the survey not to have lowered their fleet CO2 levels. BMW lowered its CO2 emissions by 2.5-percent to 184 g(CO2)/km, but VW's increased by .9-percent and DaimlerChrysler's rose by 2.80-percent. Yet even though VW increased its emissions, it is still the best performing German manufacturer, with a fleet average of just 166 g(CO2)/km.
PSA/Citroen is the closest to the target, with a CO2 rating of 142 g/km, followed by Fiat at 144 g/km. For the full report and methodology, click here. And for those of you interested, GM and Ford fall in line just behind Honda, and before VW.
Thanks for the tip, John P!
[Source: BBC.com]
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jimmy 7:56PM (11/21/2007)
Or didn't it?
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RicardoHead 9:25PM (11/21/2007)
So much for the concept of buying german cars to save the environment. Trade in that bimmer and get a Tahoe or Hummer.
Guess Al Gore can gleefully putz around in his many gas guzzlers now, and given the number of Prius's Toyota sells they should be ashamed. Seems to me the most green manufacturers are from France, Italy, and the USA.
Why weren't Geely and Chery on the list?
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DinA5 4:37AM (11/22/2007)
BMW for example sells cars in a completely other segment than citroen or FIAT. You cannot compare them.
For Example:
A BMW 3.35i with 306HP has a CO2-output of 218g/km
A Citroen, the ones you think they are environment saving for example:
C4 2.0 177HP: 200g/km co2
C6 3.0 V6 211HP: 266g/km co2
So, only because some manufactures specialised on selling little cars they are not automatically better in saving environment.
nagmashot 5:53AM (11/22/2007)
@ DinA5
that is exactly the point.
Would be more fair if they would make a compare based on engine size/CO2.
There is no Citroen V10 500hp car, there is no 500hp 6.2l V8 Fiat model, there is no 5.2l twinturbo 580hp Honda model that would ruin that companys CO2 result...
Everyone asking for sportive high power cars(95% of all topics at Autoblock are about highpower sportive models!!)... and the same readers at autoblog blame the companys offering such cars for their "bad" CO2 fleet emissions..
STUPID WORLD..
chewy 3:48AM (11/22/2007)
I think that the average American vehicle (yes including the SUVs and pickups that make up 1/2 of US vehicles) probalby produces about 300-350 or so grams of C02. AT LEAST DOUBLE what Europeans produce if not more.
The H2 produces 468 grams of C02 per 1 km or MORE THAN TRIPLE your average Fiat.
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chewy 2:52AM (11/23/2007)
Those are figures for European only GM vehicles.
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LoneWolf 6:43AM (11/22/2007)
Of course Fiat don't sell things like a M5, a Phaeton or a Hummer. But that not's the point.
The point is that every carmaker, wether it produces SUVs, Sportscars or subcompacts, has stated that they want to reduce their emissions.
And 1998, they build fast cars, too..
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Colin Smith 11:03AM (11/22/2007)
I wonder; does Fiat mean just Fiat alone, or the Fiat group, which includes Ferrari, Maserati and Alfa Romeo?
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nagmashot 12:10PM (11/22/2007)
only Fiat
btw that is just a pretty old compare from 2005 to 2006...
not from 1998 to 2007...
Hello BBC we have end of 2007
rgseidl 12:31PM (11/22/2007)
It's a common misconception that there is such a thing as a 140gCO2/km target that applies separately to each manufacturer. What ACEA actually promised for MY 2008 was a 25% reduction in CO2 emissions based on the EU sales-weighted average across all models produced by all of its members. It is *this* much broader average that happens to equal 140gCO2/km. The industry's objective was to fend off precisely the type of hard regulation by the EU that is now likely to happen.
Privately, the members decided that in order to minimize the impact on brand identities etc., their commitment meant manufacturer had to cut its emissions by 25%. The German and Swedish producers of high-powered premium vehicles thus ended up with higher (but unpublished) targets than the econobox specialists of France and Italy.
The truth is, no single manufacturer will succeed in meeting its voluntary ACEA-internal target for MY2008. The main reason for this is that while consumers pay a lot for extra power and luxury, they do not pay (much) for extra fuel economy. People are prepared to do their part for the common good (e.g. the climate, energy dependency) but only if everyone else does as well. Since many consumers are selfish, especially when it comes to big-ticket items, only legal or financial coercion of some description can overcome this impasse.
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nagmashot 1:29PM (11/22/2007)
The true Europen CO2 fleet emission in 2007 published by the EU not by some BBC green Toyota payed nuts...
fleet emissions only for the models officle sold by the brand in the EU 2007!!!
1. Smart 116gr/km
2. Fiat 140gr/km
3. Citroen 145gr/km
4. Lancia 148gr/km
5. Renault 149gr/km
6. Chevrolet 150gr/km
7. Seat 152gr/km
8. Skoda 153gr/km
9. Ford 153gr/km
10. Peugeot 154gr/km
11. Opel 157gr/km
12. VW 159gr/km
13. Toyota 163gr/km
14. Honda 166gr/km
15. Hyundai 170gr/km
16. Audi 179gr/km
17. Mini 179gr/km
18. Alfa Romeo 184gr/km
19. Mercedes 186gr/km
20. Volvo 192gr/km
21. BMW 192gr/km
22. Saab 193gr/km
23. Jaguar 208gr/km
24. Chrysler 241gr/km
25. Land Rover 253gr/km
26. Porsche 297gr/km
researched by Centre for Automotive Research, FH published 02.02.2007
looks little bit different to the BBC 2005 table... and this one is for the complete EU
Chevrolet Toyota Ford are only doing fine in this table because they sell 90% only small 4banger in Europe only some V6 and next to no V8
just to compare some Euro models
Toyota Corolla 1.6l 5speed 81kW 178gr/km
VW Golf 1.4l 6 speed 90kW 149gr/km
Toyota Yaris 1.0l 5 speed 51kW 127gr/km
VW Polo 1.2l 5 speed 51kW 138gr/km
Toyota Avensis 1.8l 5 speed 95kW 178gr/km
VW Passat 1.4l 6speed 90kW 157gr/km
the problem is..toyota only offers a very limited engine range for each model... mostly only two engine.. the slow and the extrem slow version with average CO2 perfromance..but because they offer no high power model their CO2 fleet emission is ok...
It is more amazing that a company like Audi offering in Europe cars with up to 580hp reach a fleet average of 177gr/km and gets so close to a company like Toyota offering only up to 3.0l engines... most engines are in the 1.0l to 1.8l range..
But 2008 Toyota brings the Landcruiser V8 to Europe with 4.7l V8 petrol or 4.5l V8 diesel engine with 340 and 270gr/km...that should help Toyota a lot to drop many places in that pointless CO2 ranking list..
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blinkra182 2:21PM (11/22/2007)
who cares. Viper FTW.
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Derek 12:06AM (11/23/2007)
Very interesting, Chevy beats both Honda and Toyota in Europe. WTH???? Why does a domestic company save their best vehicle lineups for overseas markets?
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nagmashot 1:10AM (11/23/2007)
Because in Europe Chevy sells only amazing (ironic) no perfromance models with small 4banger engines..
Matiz, Kalos, Aveo, Lacetti, Nubira, Rezzo, Epica, Captiva.. the look like they sound ...
Matiz 3cyl 0.8l - 1.0l 50 or 67hp
Kalos 4cyl 1.2l - 1.4l 72 or 94hp
Aveo 4cyl 1.2l - 1.4l 72 or 94hp
Lacetti 4cyl 1.4l - 2.0l 94 to 121hp
Nubria 4cyl 1.6l - 2.0l 106 or 121hp
Rezzo 4cyl 1.6l - 2.0l 107 or 122hp
Epica 6cyl 2.0l -2.5l 144 or 156hp
Captiva 4cyl 2.4l 136hp
that is the reason for the good Chevrolet perfromance... simple sell not a single perfromance car and you get a good CO2 ranking
Do you realy want that model range ?? ;)