• Nov 21, 2007
Chrysler's Frank Klegon says that we should expect to see the incorporation of stop/start systems in a number of vehicles "pretty soon," according to Automotive News. They'd be marketed as "micro hybrid" systems (showing that automakers will jump at absolutely anything to be able to apply the term "hybrid" to a product). The so-called micro hybrids simply kill the engine when the car's stopped, and according to Chrysler, this can net drivers a 5 gain in fuel economy?

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      • 7 Years Ago
      Hey Zoom! you're exactly right, think Golf Cart, I was in the Golf Cart business for a number of years and recall the stop/start system used on the Harley Davidson gas cart. Of course it had a 2cycle engine but the stop/start principal is still valid. I might add, if the automobile manufacturers would explore the 2 cycle power plant they could be giving us upwards to 200mpg cars, look at the Detroit Diesels, high RPM & high HP low fuel usage per mile! But, I'm sure the oil companies would shut this down just like they're trying to stop the Alternative fuel research and if the Bush-Cheney Administration has anything to say about it they'll succeed! All we can pray for is that we put someone in the White House who has the American people at heart, Democrat, Republican or Independent!
        • 7 Years Ago
        Fosterdad; i'm sorry I can't agree with you about the Clinton's but, nobody ever said Bill Clinton didn't make mistakes, I only know of one person who never made a mistake and they hung him on a cross! Back to me being a liberal, I have never had a good explanation on just what constitutes a conservative or a liberal, you sound like you are a pretty intelligent person so maybe you can explain it in language an old (77years) mechanic can understand! I calls them like I sees them, if the person is a liar I call him a liar and the way GWB put our troops in harms way by lying to the Congress and Public about WMDs and to back this up now he's saying, and I heard this, that Iran has WMDs. Iran is more likely to have them than Iraq, every world leader including Pope John advised him NOT to attack Iraq but, he and his Cohort Cheney wouldn't listen to anybody! They needed a war for reasons that will be a part of history that hasn't been written yet! Consequently we have over 3,500 of our young men and women dead and nearly 30,000 wounded! these are facts and figures that you can verify!
        Don't get me wrong, from what you've sent to me shows plenty of intelligence but, that's why i can't believe you buy into the Republican way of doing business! And, incidentally did you not hear why Hillary's papers haven't been released? There are things in them that could be crucial to National Defense according to the CIA and must be cleared by them and the FBI before they're released to the general public!
        • 7 Years Ago
        Yeah, I remember all those 200 mpg cars that Detroit sold during the Clinton/Gore administration. And then the evil Bush/Cheney/Haliburton/Exxon/Shell conspiracy forced the Supreme Court to stop the Florida recount so they could get rid of all those 200 mpg cars that were everywhere during the elightened Clinton years. Yeah, I remember that. Don't you?
        • 7 Years Ago
        Fosterdad; No, I don't remember any 200mpg cars during the Clinton/Gore Administration! All i was putting forward was the possible use of the 2 cycle engine instead of the 4 cycle junk we're forced to put up with in today's cars. If you notice all the manufacturers offer a system where you can cut the # of cylinders you need to use after initial acceleration or it does it automatically? I assume this is supposed to cut fuel usage and increase mileage? I can't say because I've never driven one to check! If you have a sore spot about the Clinton/Gore era just remember they left GWB with a balanced budget and a surplus in Social Security and it just took GWB 1 1/2 years to start turning the national debt into the biggest in our nations history and he had stolen all he could out of the Social Security trust fund until Congress stoped him! There's no way he'll balance the budget before he's escorted out of the White House and told never to return! And you might as well get ready, there's going to be another Clinton named Hillary in the White House come January 2009 of course there's always Cuba or Russia if you don't like the things here in the good old U.S. of A.! Or get your friends and relatives together and beat her at the poles! Good luck!
        • 7 Years Ago
        Actually, I think I'll beat Billary at the polls, not the poles. I don't think she's running in the arctic or Antarctic. Social Security still has a surplus but will be completely bankrupt in about 2030. This has nothing to do with GWB but with the fact that there are 40+ million baby boomers who didn't have enough children to contribute to Social Security once they started retiring. I know liberals blame GWB for everything, but can you really blame him for the Baby Boomers' appallingly anemic birthrate.

        The recession that Bush gets blamed for actually started in June, 2000 (look it up) and was exacerbated by 9/11 (which was caused by Clinton's complete refusal to stand up to terrorists after Somalia, the Cole bombing, the Khobar Towers bombing, etc, etc). BTW, thanks to the Bush tax cuts, federal revenues are at record highs. The only mistake he made in federal spending was in not using his veto pen sooner and more often and throwing money at domestic programs like NCLB, the Medicare Rx plan, and earmarks.

        Your post made it sound like Bush is responsible for keeping technology off the market that would increase mpg's. Yet, I didn't see high mpg cars during the Clinton administration. If you're going to blame Bush for low mpg cars, you should also look at what happened (or didn't happen) when the Democrats were in power. In fact, SUVs were all the rage during the 1990s. Car mileage has probably increased during the Bush years.

        As for Cuba and Russia - it's liberals like Danny Glover, Michael Moore and Hillary Clinton (read her college thesis praising Saul Alinsky - oh, you can't read it, she won't release it) who think Cuba is a workers' paradise. I'll stay as far from communism as possible. I'll leave the "Peoples' Republics" to liberals like you.
      • 7 Years Ago
      At GM they are shaking their heads right now. Stick a Hybrid monicer on a car just for having on demand ignition. "You mean they can do that?!? We could have saved millions!" - Bob Lutz.
        • 7 Years Ago
        Considering that the BAS system is pretty much exactly this, GM already did stick the hybrid moniker on this technology.
        • 7 Years Ago
        Is there a "law" about what they can call a hybrid? Start / Stop is a great system, but technically, not really a hybrid system. It is a Green system perhaps, if a system at all. Don't get me wrong, like I said, it should be on ever car, but it is not a hybrid.
      • 7 Years Ago
      If they double the size of the starter and double the size of the alternator and battery, and make the battery a deep cycle one, and use the starter to actually drive the car forward for the first few meters while the engine starts. Well that wouldn't be half bad. They will not do that of course.
        • 7 Years Ago
        ...and there goes the 5% fuel savings for all of the weight that was just added.
      • 7 Years Ago
      If the engine is not designed for frequent start/stop cycles, ala Prius and other "real" hybrids, the wear and tear repair bills will add up, far in excess of the 5% fuel savings over time.

      Also, I don't car how green a car is today if you don't maintain it, it won't be green for long.

      I am fairly certain that there are more than a few older Prius' out there putting out far more pollutants per mile than my meticulosly maintained '98 Lincoln Continental with 115K miles on it. I have seen a couple older Prius' running around here chugging oil smoke. Not very green.

      BTW where are we going to put those batteries when it comes time to junk the car?

        • 7 Years Ago
        Obviously, you do not do enough research about hybrids, so you're just making it up as you go.

        Every hybrid batteries have a $200 bounty on them, so there will not be a single junkyard out there that would not rip those out and sell them back to Toyota and Honda. Both companies have an internal recycling program for these batteries. Batteries for hybrids are certainly much safer for the environment than the NiMH AA batteries being sold in the stores. Those are more likely being thrown into the trash.

        Second, I do not know where you live have emission inspections or not, but if a Prius is spewing oil smoke, it will not pass inspection. And if one is comparing apples to apples, a well maintain Prius is 90% cleaner than any cars made in 1998.
      • 7 Years Ago
      I wouldn't pay extra for that feature. If I wanted my car to do that I'd just turn the engine off at stoplights manually.
      • 7 Years Ago
      It would be nice if Chrysler spent that money on the keep running part instead of stop and start.
      • 7 Years Ago
      I would buy it. As long as there is some way to disable it when it is -20c and the car and my rear end are still warming up.

      Personally I don't care if I don't recoup the few hundred dollars extra cost for a few years or even never. 5% fuel savings and better for the environment for a couple of hundred dollars and it works no matter what size vehicle you buy. People spend more than that on crap additives and gadgets that don't work.
      • 7 Years Ago
      i would imagine part of this system would be upgraded charging and starting systems for the vehicle. I dont think they would just add something that would just shut off and start up the engine to an otherwise stock vehicle. If they did, it would end up being more costly in the future due to warranty claims on prematurely worn parts.
      • 7 Years Ago
      The more important point of these systems is a significant reduction in exhaust from the car. A substantial source of exhaust pollution is from cars idling in traffic.
      • 7 Years Ago
      I got an inside scoop from my friend who works for Chrysler R&D.

      He says that they're working on a system that will reverse the rotation of the engine whenever you put the car in reverse. They have conducted tests that show that the system works. An internal brochure is quoted "...by driving in reverse with your engine spinning backwards, not only does your odometer reading go down, but you also undo the pollutants you have emitted by driving forward!"

      The project is under the codename "Really-Hy-brid"
        • 7 Years Ago
        hahah
        plus you get the benefit of having 5 gears in reverse! you can get rid of the reverse gear, and just use your regular gears.. (can you say weight reduction!)
        PLUS you will get awesome mileage in reverse, and you can go reallyfast (in reverse)... what a great idea!! And all of this while sucking up previously used emissions....
        I love it!
      • 7 Years Ago
      Bean counters + marketing = hybrid :)
      • 7 Years Ago
      No Thank You. Too many negatives for this type of system to interest me. The two biggest negatives in my eyes are the length of payoff, and increased engine wear. At 12,000 miles/year with a car that got 25 mpg and fuel prices of $3.50/gallon it would take three years and nine months to recover $300.
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