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Yes, a Swedish M3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL7T9BD_Q3k

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Bu...bu guyz the GTR CHEATED! (cry)

I swear some people are ridiculous.

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CMOS, Uh, you lost me. I am not a GTR fanboy, just an open minded "car enthusiast" who found the debate about Nissan doing non-standard testing amusing.

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it is not disputed, that is the common start/stop locations

the reason why the GTR time is 'disputed' is because it was not a stock car. it was on "cut race tyres". some would have you believe that that is a mistranslation and should really read "orginal equipement tire" but i fail to see how a translator could be that bad at his job.

ring times are all to be taken with a grain of salt because testing different cars on different days with different drivers under different condition with different types of tires and unknown modifications yeilds different results. its far from a level playing field and it leads to a huge margin of error for comparison results, like +/- 30 sec.

from what i know, the rules for an "official lap" are simply, street legal (only has to be street legal in one country, like the v8 radical) and where to start and stop the time.

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I was making fun of the people who thought Nissan cheated by not doing a full lap, not you.

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replying to "naggs" here.

http://www.nissangtrproto.com/2007/news/738-tire-question/

A hotly debated item all over the internet right now is due to some misinformation and quotes taken out of context. To lay the smack down and correct all the internet bickering going on here is the actual quote. For the bone heads, the important information is in underlined and in bold, so you can?t miss it.

"Mizuno claimed a time of 7minutes 38 seconds, compared with 7:43 for a Porsche 911 GT3 and 7:32 for a Carrera GT, but he was anxious to point out that there had been "two wet patches on the circuit" Indeed, he mentioned the "wet patches" so many times that you wondered why Nissan simply hadn't waited for a dry day. Mizuno reckoned that a time of around 7:30 should have been possible in the dry, but that going much faster would have required hand-cut slicks, which isn't "real world." Bizarrely, Nissan admitted to having different test drivers for different lapping. While Chief Test Driver Toshio Suzuki operates in the 7:30-7:40 range, his right-hand man is a 7:40-7:50 man."

The fact remains, the Nissan GT-R scored a 7:38 lap time on the Nurburgring using the tires it will come standard with in production trim. Gotta love the underhanded jab of the "wet patches on the circuit". Simply impressive.

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they Pagani clearly named at the beginn of the video a Sportauto lap..not a full lap like Nissan did

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Nissan didn't do a full lap either. There is WAY to much conflicting info out there. It looks like it is safe to say that if the video dosn't have a running timer in it then you can only guess where the timing starts/stops. In this case you can just add/sub 5 secs from the lap. None of these laps should be compared with each other. But when it comes right down to it any car running a 7:37+-5secs is fast as hell. It looks like the ring is becoming sort of a benchmark yet everyone times a little different. If the ring continues to grow into the standard benchmark then they need to make a timing "standard". The Zonda and the GTR both appear to time the same way though. The SportAuto videos never show the start and finish. Their videos always start at the end of the strait but the videos never have a timer running and the videos always stop at random locations typically on the looong high speed run somewhere just after the bridge.

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As I understood the fastest lap of the 'ring was in a Formula 1 car at around 6.5 minutes.
Which is really honking!

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