• Nov 13th 2007 at 1:35PM
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Toyota's showing in Tokyo was rife with disappointments, none more so than what was over at the Lexus booth. Beyond its LF-Xh hybrid crossover, rumor had it that a revised version of the LF-A supercar would make an appearance. No such luck. Instead, the same show car we've seen over the last year stood alone, longing for refinement.

According to Winding Road's Japan correspondent, the reason for the dismal showing was a shakeup on the engineering side of Lexus' new halo. A number of "key engineers" have apparently been yanked off the project to work on other programs within Toyota, and that, partnered with problems providing power from both a V10 and a gas-electric hybrid V8, along with reaching the 218 MPH targeted top speed, has caused delays in development.

The business plan for the LF-A includes building 26 units per month, and sources suggest that sales are likely to begin in 2009 – the same year Acura will bring its own supercar to market.

[Source: Winding Road]

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      • 7 Years Ago
      [quote]sources suggest that sales are likely to begin in 2009 – the same year Acura will bring its own supercar to market.[/quote]

      Amazingly, also the same year I will lose the last of my remaining interest....
      • 7 Years Ago
      Time to bring on the Toyota/Lexus haters... lol
      • 7 Years Ago
      For me, Toyota and Lexus have both been big disappointments in their designs lately. That thing above is just another example. Lexus should stick to sedans. Let Toyota, who actually has some motorsports history, do the sports cars.

        • 7 Years Ago

        If you're going to say something stupid, at least you can spell it correctly.

        "Toyaita"... sheesh
        • 7 Years Ago
        Oversized Toyaita Celica
      • 7 Years Ago
      I want your car Damon. A 2ZZ MR-S is on my wish list.

      Can anyone really blame Toyota if the rumors are true? Halo cars are good for marketing, but they don't make the money. I'm just guessing, but you'd think they'd put all the top engineers on a project of the LF-A's magnitude. Sending the best back down to work on fixing/improving the models that the overwhelming majority of people see doesn't sound like a step in the wrong direction to me. It sounds like they're actively trying to address issues. And who knows, perhaps some of these guys went to the "Fun Cars" division? I don't think it's all doom and gloom.
      • 7 Years Ago

      But I think that if Toyota can't get it right, they should keep it off the market until they do and stop pilfering us with the same prototypes and news bites over and over again.

      Plus i'd like to see some affordable sports cars from Toyota again/
      • 7 Years Ago
      i dont think this site is biased. the Big 3 definitely get the most crap from people (including myself i'll admit) on AB.

      For example...how many more times will AB put up an article about the Ford Focus just so people can talk about how shitty it is?

      Toyota might get harsh criticism too, but that's because they're #1, and at this point they can take it
      • 7 Years Ago
      Hmmm I wish I had checked the site earlier so I wouldn't end up on page 2... but oh well...

      I think we need to put all things into perspective here..
      Granted the "Supra" (yes, I know it's called the LF-A; but lets face it...its considered the return of the Supra) has taken a long time from idea to prototype and now is taking a long time to make it to production... but why is that automatically a bad thing ? If Toyota wants to take the time to do it right, what is wrong with that ? It takes years to develop something special, just look at how long it took to get the Veyron into production. And how long has there been word that a new Skyline GTR was on the way, and when was it finally unveiled ?
      While people throw all this flack at Toyota, where is Honda with the NSX ? Personally I liked the last concept they showed (Acura Advanced something or other); but now that has been scrapped too.. Which means that there isn't even a official concept car for the next NSX ? Production in 2009 you say ? Yikes !

      I say give Toyota a chance... its not easy to step up into the supercar game... and them taking time to make the car better or perform exactly how they want it to is not a bad thing in my opinion. I just hope they change that front end... hahaha...

      While we're on the topic... gotta love the MR2 turbos... thinking of buying one myself...
        • 7 Years Ago
        GM gets slammed for taking so long to get the Camaro from concept to production, but for Toyota, this is ok?
      • 7 Years Ago
      Here is a thought...
      1. Take the old 1998 Supra
      2. Upgrade the Interior
      3. Upgrade to a modern rim/tire combo.
      4. Add two larger turbos
      6. Sell it for $32k as a Toyota Supra

      That doesn't seem too hard to me.

        • 7 Years Ago
        I'm guessing that by now toyota could use some of it's vast scale and multiple product lines to save some money.
        • 7 Years Ago
        In 1998 turbo Supra cost >$40,000.
        It deceased because few people bought it at that time.

        LF-A was predicted to cost $170,000.
        It's better to concentrate on AE86. Honda is rolling out CR-Z.
      • 7 Years Ago
      Look Im not saying that the domestics make dangerous cars t but lets look at some facts.
      In atlest 5 van damme movies Chevy Trucks just blow up for no apparent reason. And theres the evil cop car in the tranformers movie that turns into a robot dildo!
      Now imagine if you were inside that cruiser in the back after a night of heavy petting. you would be sliced to pieces when it tranformetadedh!
      • 7 Years Ago
      Toyota has completely overloaded itself, hence the engineers being reassigned in a back-to-basics push to get QRD fixed.

      A great article about Toyota's problems in the most recent Economist:

      A Wobble on the Road to the Top

        • 7 Years Ago
        Great article! Thanks for the link, it summerizes all of the real issues that Toyota lovers do not want to accept as truth. Although there was no mention of the old sludge problems...
        • 7 Years Ago
        its true, if toyota's are not high quality then there is absolutely no reason to buy one.

        compare this to say BMW, where even when people know that it will not be the most trouble free product they could possible lay their hands on, they still want one. now if bmws started to drive like toyotas, then bmw would be in the same boat.

        you only have to look at ford to find out what happens to a brand that has no standout reason or overriding philosophy that shapes the product.
        • 7 Years Ago
        Thanks for posting that article.

        I knew Toyota had a lot of recalls....but dayum...they've had something around 6 million + in USA and Japan in the past 3 years.

        The article made a point that I've often repeated myself....people buy Toyota's due to perceived quality, when that is gone what reason is there to buy a Toyota?
      • 7 Years Ago
      yeah, but their cars are boring

      the new 2008 Toyota Appliance, Standard Edition is not going to generate positive buzz on an auto enthusists site and because that basically sums up all of their vehicles, its the company we love to hate.

      the alternative is for toyota to get no press at all, because they certainly dont do anything news worthy except for when their appliances break.

      the only news is bad news
      • 7 Years Ago
      @ Mehul Kamdar

      That article that was linked in one of the earlier posts shows Toyota has has 6 million+ recalls in the last 3 years in Japan and the USA, so clearly building reliable cars is not their strong suit anymore.

      That said, its better if they focus more of their energy on building affordable sports cars like a new iteration of the AE86 and a new MR2. People like cars like the GT-R and the LF-A, but hardly anyone can truly afford them.

      I actually liked the original LF-A concept, and I don't see what was wrong with it. Why didn't they stick with that?
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