Just remember folks, Exxon Mobil made 9.92 BILLION dollars in the last 3 months. Pure profit. F*ck them. I'm going to ride my bike.

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I read this recently. Puts the price increase into perspective:

"All else being equal, retail gas prices increase up to 25¢ for every $10 increase in crude oil prices, says Doug MacIntyre, an analyst for the Energy Information Administration of the U.S. Energy Dept."

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*sigh* Congratulations, the first one to bring politics into this. Oh, to only be as blissfully naive as all of you who think that Hillary can just magically snap her fingers and increase fuel economy.

I don't oppose increases in fuel economy, but I DO oppose increases to the extremely costly, inefficient CAFE program which reduces choice and has simply pushed people from big, powerful cars into big, powerful trucks which get worse mileage than the cars they replace! And none of the proposals out there will fix this problem.

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"A plane like a Boeing 747 uses approximately 1 gallon of fuel (about 4 liters) every second. Over the course of a 10-hour flight, it might burn 36,000 gallons (150,000 liters). According to Boeing's Web site, the 747 burns approximately 5 gallons of fuel per mile (12 liters per kilometer)."
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So, lay the blame at the doorstep of GM, Ford and Chrysler all you want. It is the aviation industry that burns the lion's share of our fuel consumption, and 1 million fold creates more green house gases. Anyone care to guess how many jetliners are airborne right now as you read this?, or how much fuel they burned in the time that it took you to read this?, or how many trillion tons of greenhouse gases they release annually?

I have been driving for 30 years, and I still have not burned as much fuel as the most fuel-efficient jetliner will burn in 1 round trip from New York to Madrid.

Folks, not here to preach to any of you. Just merely to say I will drive what the F@%K I choose to, as long as it does not cause me any economic hardship.

The truth is, nothing that you or I do will amount to a hill of beans on this issue.

A shout out to brother AL Gore: Self-appointed world CZAR on the environment. Who on his way to pick up his Nobel prize for his work on the environment, FLEW IN HIS PRIVATE JET.

It's sort of like gun control. Guns are good for us, no matter many of us die from gunshot wounds.

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Hillary can actually snap fingers and increase fuel economy.
She could force at least the 65 mph limit on freeways.

The lower the speed, the less drag and the better fuel economy. Also, it helps underpowered (more economical) vehicles to enter and cruise on freeways.

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My apologies, I was way off on my guesstimate of trillions of tons of carbon dioxide being released annualy by the aviation industry. See corrected figures below.

1 round trip from NY to LA or Trans Atlantic round trip = 2,000 pounds of CO2

In a year air travel releases 600 million tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere

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Those who feel the pain of gas have long stopped buying from Detroit, that group alone probably makes over 50% of Hondas clients.
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Yeah because the Japs produce nothing but green right? Tundra, Land Crusier, the craptastic Ridgeline etc don't sell any right?

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Mr Oak, what is your problem?

1) A 747 uses 5 gallons of fuel per mile
2) A 747 carries 416 passengers (for a 3 class plane, over 500 for a 2 class plane)

I'm going to use 400 passengers just to make the math easier, as it's more realistic anyway.

For each passenger, 0.0125 gallons of gas are used per mile per passenger.

That's 80 miles per gallon per passenger. What's wrong with that?

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Chris: You are looking at the efficiency estimate. I was not looking at it from the economical perspective, I was looking at 600 millions tons of carbon dioxide annually. That is absolute, regardless of if they're full of passengers or not. Even if we all drove Priuses or Escapes, the Polar ice caps are still going bye bye. I would advise the polar bears to practice their backstroke.

Listen. I drive a relatively large car (Lincoln LS), commute by public transportation, Fill up the old Linc. every other week or so. I don't give a crap what gas cost. Sometimes $35, sometimes $45 to fill her up.

I will not buy a car solely based on it's fuel economy. Then again, I really only drive on weekends.

You can't whine about the environment, and jump on a private jet, when there are dozens of other jets already going your way.

Not a tree hugger, just sick on folks whining and blaming and not really even knowing what the source of the problem is. For all we know the earth may just be doing what she always did, long before we got here.

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Mr Oak- 2000 pounds NY-LA round-trip???? CO2 is just over 1/4 carbon by weight. Jet fuel (and most mineral based fuel) is about 85% carbon- that comes out to less than 700 gallons to cover about 6000mi. math doesn't add up.

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Guenther: ?????

Okay, below I gave you three definitions.

1. What is a Mineral:

A mineral is a naturally occurring substance formed through geological processes that has a characteristic chemical composition, a highly ordered atomic.

2. What is Petroleum

Petroleum - A naturally occurring, oily, flammable liquid composed of hydrocarbons and found associated with gas in natural underground reservoirs.

3. The primary ingredient in most jet fuels.

Kerosene - A colorless, low-sulfur petroleum product that burns without producing much smoke. It is the primary ingredient in most jet fuels.

Going on the information given above, Kerosene is a petroleum, and petroleum by definition is a mineral.

What the hell are you talkin' Willis?

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Guenther: Oh and the math--->

3000 @ 5 gals per mile = 15,000 gals one way.

15,000 x 2 = 30,000 gals for the round trip.

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Thank for your insight in an otherwise baseless collection of posts on this subject. It still amazes me that people on here continue to single out Detroit as the source of all evil when it comes to anything automotive.

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Well said. Speculation combined with greedy oil companies are serving to artificially inflate the price at the pump. Consumers aren't the ones who suffer most, however: gas station owners do. Their prices are effectively set by the oil companies and the wholesale prices they pay. Unfortunately, the higher the price at the pump, the less volume the retailers sell. They get caught in a pricing war among themselves in a fight for customers looking for the best deal, while the oil companies make their steady (and astronomical) profits.

A prime example, though admittedly abnormal, is the aftermath of hurricane Katrina. Oil companies reported record profits while their privately owned retailers suffered from the effects of localized rationing and artificially inflated wholesale prices.

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What you are really saying is toss out the retarded politicians that are in the banker's pockets. Which is pretty much all of DC. I'm for it.

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