yessir. I might have to buy a PS3 just for GT5.

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The in game footage is still better than any racing game made and the full game isnt even out for another year.

God you 360 owners are bitter. The best and most popular racing game is a PS3 excluisve. Deal with it and grow up.

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That is in game footage, not cut scene video. I prefer GT4 over Forza 2, GT5 is not even comparable to Forza 2. Forza 2 is a fun game, but its not GT.

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None of those are as good as GT and you know it.

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The only problem being Forza 2 is not GT5.

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so do all the games you play just consists of screenshots and circle jerks?
If your looking for out of this world graphics, buy a car and drive it. It's quite the experience.

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You're forgetting $100 for the wifi adapter and 175 for the HDDVD. PS3 is a better deal if you use all the features, hands down

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whoa whoa whoa, who said anything about wifi and hd-dvd? your gonna play online games over wifi? good luck with that. the format wars? its not really necessary.
from a gaming perspective its about...almost 400 xbox games +backwards computability vs. 78.
oh yeah and keywords: use all the features. I have the option to not use them all if I don't want to, and pay less money for more. so..my team wins.

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PS3 = gaming system + blue ray disc player, my choice is with the PS3

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and by gaming you mean...78 games vs almost 400 x360 titles plus another 390 xbox titles. and blu-ray isn't really 'all-that'. just go and buy a $50 upscaler for your current dvd collection.

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I played Forza 2 through. It was pretty good. The problem is the steering wheel for 360 is pure horsesh*t. Get a Logitech G25 and GTR2 for your PC. And when GT5 comes out, you can use the G25 with it too.

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Sam has been drinking too much of the Microsoft Kool-Aid. So Sam, lets do some math. Lets assume your numbers are right, (400+390) that means the Xbox360 can play 790 games.

The PS3 60GB and 80GB are backwards compatible (The 40GB is not). So they can play all the current games out for the PS3 and the 1700 games from the PS2. Not to mention how many hundreds of games from the PS1. Winner, PS3.

Blu-Ray isn't all that? Even if you just buy a DVD upscaler, it still won't look as good as true highdef, or have 7.1 surround sound, but lets look at it from a gaming perspective, shall we? A Blu-Ray disc can hold 50GB of data (They have even created a 200GB prototype.) A dual layer DVD that the Xbox uses can only hold 9.5GB of data. That severely limits what the developers can fit into a game. The music alone for Heavenly Sword was over 10GB. The developers of Grand Theft Auto have even come out and said that the lack of a guaranteed hard drive (the core Xbox doesn't come with one, unlike all PS3's having one) and the size of a DVD has limited what they can do with the game. Bigger games and more features? Winner PS3.

As far as WiFi, some people only have one Ethernet port in their house or apartment like I do. I prefer to keep my place ascetically pleasing, so I don't like to run wires across my floor, and love the PS3 having WiFi. I play games over it and it works just fine. Winner PS3.

Firmware 2.00 that just came out for the PS3 even allows you to access your PS3 anywhere in the world with the PSP and turn it on remotely, download new content to it, and turn it off. You can do that from the other side of the world if you want.

Seriously, look at all the price points, with the new 40GB PS3 at $400 it blows the Xbox out of the water. if you buy the Xbox360 Elite it costs $479.99. Add the wireless and HD-DVD drive for $279.99 and your Xbox now cost $759.98. Not to mention the PS3 can support more controllers (up to 7), can support a keyboard and mouse, and on and on and on. And just until recently the Xbox didn't have HDMI, which the PS3 has had since launch.

How about how Halo 3, your console's greatest game, even was having problems. From it not even being in true HD (http://www.totalvideogames.com/news/Halo_3_Not_True_HD_12186_4796_0.htm) to the game being scratched before people opened it (http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=202101826). I haven't heard of those problems with PS3 games, in fact the GranTurismo HD demo runs in glorious 1080p and man does it look good.

The biggest issue of all though, is the failure rate. I'm not going to drop $500+ dollars for a system and games that fail over 33% (Keep in mind Microsoft won't give an official number, thats what the retailers estimate it to be.) It only took Microsoft a year to admit they had a problem, and even now they call it "a customer satisfaction issue." The Xbox has a issue with overheating as well, and it sounds like a ramjet when it's on. The PS3 runs cool and quiet. No amount of spin you try to put on it can change the fact that the Xbox fails 1/3rd of the time, and Microsoft can't seem to fix it.

Don't be jealous we get to play the best racing simulator out there. I'm sure you know someone with a PS3, you can play GT5 on their's.

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Seminole, I may have drank the kool-aid, but I'm still right. As to..counter your points:
First, backwards compatibility. I'm pretty sure were talking about the current lineup of consoles, not the stuff they came out with in the beginning. Or should we? Because I recall, the 20GB PS3 having no Wifi, 2 USB ports, no card reader and wouldn't you know it, cost $500. The cheapest Xbox was $279.99, which did have a wired controller, no wifi, hard drive or any other that extra stuff that gamers don't need. As for games, the Xbox still continues to support original Xbox games, with tons of Arcade games you can download from its Live service. Now that Sony has cleaned up its fiasco with PS3 pricing, options and services, they finally decided on a 40GB model, meaning less storage than its brethren and absolutely zero backwards compatibility. I'll stick with my 790 titles over your ~78, thank you very much. Also, Blu-ray is an overpriced piece of hardware that didn't need to come with the console. The Xbox seems to be doing just fine with its so called puny 9.5GB of data storage. Other than 10 GB of...music, no game has currently needed to utilize the power of this fully operational death sta-I mean blu ray disc. So your bigger games mean bigger features? I have yet to see some, and might I add, Xbox has much better support with DLC (thats downloadable content to you) to add more bang for your buck to the games you own.
WiFi-sure its a luxury to have, but isn't at all necessary and keeps costs down. and playing over a b connection isn't all that much fun. The N standard isn't here yet, nor is the wifi in your black box capable of utilizing it, so ethernet is pretty much where it's at. Also, are you playing PS3 online as well as checking email at the same time? Or, here's a great thing, they just came out with them: buying a router so you can plug everything in with a hard line so you have an always on, fast connection. genius right?
ok, were back to the Xbox Elite which by the way its 449, not 479. and if you chose to get wireless and the hd-dvd drive, your also getting 5 free movies to go with that, plus all the HD cables you need to play your games in high definition or watch films. PS3, hmm....I'm pretty sure if your an average joe and probably want the best, which for you obviously is hdmi, you'll be spending up to $100 for cables. Um...ok.
Controllers-is there a game that supports 7 controllers? Do you know how much a controller is? 41.99 on amazon. Hm, I'm assuming one comes in the box so if you wanted 6 more for making some sort of statement, you'll be spending ~$252. Great deal! -Oh, might I add, they didn't have rumble support until a few months ago, including the fact that most games now don't use rumble, which creates a different 'experience'.
Keyboard and Mouse-I'm pretty sure Xbox just came out with their own textpad that connects to the controller. spiffy, eh? And where exactly are we going on this big PS3? the internet? thats what we have desktop computers for.
Halo 3- hm, got me there 640p. Does that matter? not really, considering the millions of people who bought the game don't seem to be returning it in droves just because they were "cheated 80p". As for 1080p, yes the Xbox supports it, as well as 1080i, 720p, 480p and 480i. Does your console support these? not 720p, which is a pretty big standard with most TV sets, so even if you drop the dough on cables, your still getting 480p which is...DVD quality or junk because your probably all about the HD experience. Sorry, your out of luck.
As for the failure rate issue- MS is doing all they can to fix the consoles they produced. You should be applauding MS for extending everyones warranty to fix their consoles. Ok, its not perfect, and yes it took them a while to own up to it. But they did, and everyone that was all fire and brimstone seems to have taken a chill pill. I also have yet to hear a ramjet, but when I do, I'll bring my 360 along to see if there one and the same.
The best racing simulator...with no damage and will probably include those dreaded license testing modes that won't get you anywhere in the game.
It's time to stop licking your black box to a crystal clear shine and start looking at the facts, bro. From a gamers perspective, right now, the 360 is the better deal.
Oh yeah, and just to keep chiming in on the Live factor, 7.1 million gamer's haven't been wrong, and we get, well...movies, tv shows, sports games, that huge library of arcade games and how could I forget, 60 fps gameplay.
Cheers!

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And, for the price of a Ferrari, I can buy a Z06, a BMW, etc etc,

So why do we still see Ferraris???

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I'm actually a little pissed because I typed up a response but it never went through. I'll counter your points right back down the line.

1) Backwards compatibility. I AM talking about the current lineup... There are still 60GB's that can be found in some stores, and the 80 GB's are out right now too. Both are backwards compatible. Once the 60GB's sell out then only the 80GB will be backwards compatible. In the post that got lost, I admitted the PS3 was expensive when it first came out, but even at that price point the value of all its benefits was much greater.

2) You do a good job contradicting yourself when you talk about the Core system. You say, "The cheapest Xbox was $279.99, which did have a wired controller, no wifi, hard drive or any other that extra stuff that gamers don't need. As for games, the Xbox still continues to support original Xbox games, with tons of Arcade games you can download from its Live service." I got a question, if you don't have a hard drive, how can you save the stuff you download?? Oh, you need to go out and buy a $100 hard drive.

3) In regards to this comment, "Now that Sony has cleaned up its fiasco with PS3 pricing, options and services, they finally decided on a 40GB model, meaning less storage than its brethren and absolutely zero backwards compatibility. I'll stick with my 790 titles over your ~78, thank you very much." Sony also has the 80GB PS3 which you seem to forget about. If someone wants backwards compatibility, get the 80GB for $100 more. You get 40GB more space, a free game, the card reader, more USB slots, and backwards compatibility. So your point is mute. Also Blu-Ray gives developers more flexibility in the future. What happens when in two years games are being designed that can't fit onto a DVD. Enjoy stopping the game to switch out DVD's.

4) Read what I said. I have a router. I could hardwire my PS3 if I really wanted to, but the router is over 60 feet away from my living room. I like to keep my apartment looking good for company so I would prefer it not to look like a dorm room with cables running across the floor. Therefor I really appreciate the WiFi.

5) I can admit when I'm wrong, I misread the price on Best Buy, the Elite is $449.99. But lets add on the wireless and HD-DVD. Thats $279.99 extra, for a total of $729.99. You get 5 free HD-DVD movies with the add one. But guess what, you also get that promotion with the PS3!! (Check out http://www.bluraysavings.com/) Also the 40GB PS3 comes with Spiderman 3 in Blu-ray. So thats 6 movies with the 40GB system. But lets compare the 80GB and the Elite. The 80GB costs $499, while the elite would cost $729.99 all optioned up. That difference of $229.99 is more that enough to get a Monster HDMI cable, and two games. A much better deal.

6) I have friends with PS3's, they can bring their controllers over, I don't need to buy myself. The rumble pissed some people off. I was indifferent to it. The keyboard and mouse are for people like me who prefer them for FPS games or RPG's. It gives extra flexibility. The problem with the Xbox, is any external hardware that is used with it, comes from Microsoft directly, and they charge a premium. For instance the Hard Drive ad-on for the core system is a whopping $179.99 for a 120 GB (or $99 for a 20GB). The PS3 uses a laptop drive, so I can get a 250GB one on Bestbuy.com for $139.99. I'm sure if I searched I could find better deals. So the PS3 allows more expandability.

7) My point about Halo 3 is that Microsoft markets the Xbox as a next gen high def system. But it's best game can't even run in HD in order to keep frame rates and lighting at acceptable levels. I forgot the other game that they had to do the exact same thing with. You also need to research your facts. The PS3 supports 720p also. Infact the PS3 has supported 1080i, 1080p, 720p, 480i, and 480p since it came out. The Xbox was only just recently retrofitted to support the 1080 range. So that just made your whole resolution argument worthless.

8) Microsoft is doing all they can... Then why can they still not fix the problem? I had a friend who went through 2 Xbox's. Go to any Xbox forum and all you read about is the RRoD. There are a few articles about a guy who went through 7. I refuse to applaud a company that would take my hard earned money, then take a year to admit there was a defect in the console and fix it for free. Your whole stance on the issue is pretty poor. Essentially your saying, "Well my system does break. But Microsoft fixes it for free, so it's all ok. I only have to ship it back to them and not have a system for 3-4 weeks while they repair it." The PS3 has had a near zero failure rate. I'd rather buy a system that doesn't break. Funny comment about the Ramjet, but it's a well known fact the PS3 runs much quieter and cooler that the Xbox.

9) Please watch this video about a thing called Home, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZY2vwlh5-g. It will blow Live away, and it's free. You can share music and movies with other people. Download Movies. Meet people and launch directly into games. It's really much better than Live, and it's free.

10) PS3 also runs games at 60FPS. What's your point there. Unless you want to bring up Madden, which is due to EA being run by the ex-Xbox CEO and them just being too lazy to port the game the right way.

You won't believe it, but I actually owned a original Xbox. But the thing that got me to buy a PS3 is the value and how much better built the system is than a 360.

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$400 for one game? or actually, if you factor IN the game, plus taxes and fees its about $500. Is that really worth it? I mean REALLY worth it?

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