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SEMA 2007 VIDEO: Toyota Tundra Diesel Dually
When Toyota launched the 2007 Tundra, the automotive juggernaut proclaimed that it finally had a legitimate contender vs. the F-150, Silverado and Ram. What Toyota didn't have, however, was a full-size offering to compete with the domestic heavy-duty trucks. Just for kicks, Toyota built a fantasy Tundra dually with an 8.2L Hino diesel powerplant cranking 300 HP and 600 ft-lbs., and displayed it at SEMA this week. We interviewed Warren Victor for more info on Toyota's SEMA super-hauler, and you can view it by pressing play above.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
toronado455 4:27PM (10/31/2007)
500 cube diesel engine. Awesome!
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raz 4:33PM (10/31/2007)
the point of this truck is to show how quickly toyota can bring new technology to the market.
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psarhjinian 4:54PM (10/31/2007)
Now, I can sort of understand the HD-truck-as-fashion-accessory, but, again, why not just buy a Hino if you must have a Toyota heavy duty?
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psarhjinian 5:09PM (10/31/2007)
I should clarify: Toyota already has Hino in (or just above) this marketspace, so why not sell/rebadge an existing Hino rather than push the Tundra upmarket?
Other than the fact that Hino trucks--performance notwithstanding--don't look butch enough.
Jason 5:22PM (10/31/2007)
There is no Hino truck that remotely comes close to competing with the diesel Ford/GM/Dodge trucks (which are really light duty diesels in the grand scheme of things). Might as well say that Freightliner competes with Dodge. Hinos are commercial-grade medium-duty chassis trucks, not pick-up trucks.
psarhjinian 5:28PM (10/31/2007)
True, but you could conceivably scale down a Dyna/Dutro into this market with greater ease than shoehorning this powerplant into a Tundra.
I'm forgetting that this is SEMA, though.
Russell 4:58PM (10/31/2007)
So they hacked two 1/2 ton "trucks" and used frame from those and made 1ton. The tailgate also looks to be stock.
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DT 5:02PM (10/31/2007)
I'm not sure the truck made it's point about bringing new technology to market. A show truck is one thing, but if the engine compartment grew enough to render the HVAC controls non-functional (per previous blog entry) and the body had to be lifted 3" for the engine, there are a lot of packaging issues to work through.
Somebody will bring it up, so it might as well be me: The domestics get as much power out of their 6.4, 6.6, and 6.7 liter diesel engines as this 8.2 mill.
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SuperSkyline89 9:59PM (10/31/2007)
You are talking about the domestic engines that are in production trucks right? If you are, this isn't a production truck and probably never will be so I doubt Toyota cared enough to tune the engine like they would have if they actually planned on selling it.
Frank in L.A. 6:25PM (10/31/2007)
RECALLS!@!!!!!! LOL @ TOYOTA WHAT A JOKE
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MKIV 6:39PM (10/31/2007)
There is always the kid thumping on daddy’s computer.
Go stand in the corner like you were told.
Frank in L.A. 6:41PM (10/31/2007)
It's true, Take a joke
Mark 7:48PM (10/31/2007)
Read this and then watch this guy's body language. "This is ummm, pretty much a fantasy truck. The best truck we could build."
This guy seems genuinely embarrassed by this ugly POS.
It's hard to think Toyota could make the Tundra uglier and more bloated looking, but they did. Congrats.
Mark
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J 8:31PM (10/31/2007)
If Tundras' beds fell apart when people put ATVs in them I can't imagine all the other things that will go wrong when people try to use these for hard work.
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Steve 8:52PM (10/31/2007)
Did anyone notice that the driver's door does not match the rear driver side door and front fender in terms of paint? Look at about 1:40 in the video. At first I thought it was lighting, but for the panels on either side not to match it has to be poor paint. I get that it is a concept, but the freakin' paint should match!
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John 11:31PM (10/31/2007)
This guy says it feel like it has alot of torque....if i drove a corolla or however you spell it i would say it anything feels like alot of torque, and 300hp and 660lb torque would not be a competitive with the american HD trucks, i know this is just a "project" and he did say they could really tune it better....all i can say is i sure hope so and for the best intrest of all tell toyota to stop making trucks, go back to tacomas (good hunting truck, back when they where really tough).......just for the record i know my spelling sucks
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John 11:34PM (10/31/2007)
I meant to say 600lb foot torque not 660, i must have said that because thats what the real trucks have, and i didnt proof read what i wrote before and made alot of changes so bare with the mistakes
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j_diesel 1:13AM (11/01/2007)
the Hino diesel engine in this truck is likely a JO8-E (i think)inline 6 intercooled turbodiesel w/variable turbo. this engine is absolutely bulletproof. i worked at a Hino dealership for a number of years and can honestly say that in my time there i saw two internal engine failures during the warranty period which i think was 4years/unlimeted milage. as for the market that toyota is after...it is the light duty p/u market (sorry guys, your quad cab ram dually is a light duty p/u). in the early 2000's Hino was selling the cab-over FA and FB models which translate roughly to a HD one ton for the FA and something like a T4500 or F-450/550. they could seat 3 across the bench, came with vinyl flooring and came in any colour you wanted as long as it was white. you could buy something like 20 or more and they would let you paint them whatever colour you wanted. they also came with an allison auto or a Hino 5 speed syncromesh. the rear axle was also built by Hino. one FB went almost 900,000km before the engine died. most averaged better than 400,000km before major work was needed. leather bucket seats and paint colours are cool but if you need a serious work truck the Hino is absolutely the way to go. I think if toyota was serious about the diesel P/U market they should install the Hino diesel and don't worry about the HP numbers. i always thought the numbers were low on them as well but Hino works some kind of magic with the torque band to make the engine always feel like it can handle the job. for the record, the FA/FB had the four cylinder version (JO5-C) and the larger trucks (FD/FE/FF/SG) had the JO8-C.
300hp and 600ft/lbs is pretty close to factory tune for the latest inline 6 (260hp and about 585 ftlbs) i bet there is at least another 100-200 hp and 200 ft lbs in that engine without major internal modifications and you would loose very little in reliabilty. stock tune it would go 500,000km easy without major rebuild. maybe 300,000km with mods. just my thoughts.
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Brett 3:21AM (11/01/2007)
Yes yes you sold Hino's so you think they are the best. Nice perception. In reality the US DOMESTICS make the toughest light duty and medium duty work trucks, and they all last longer than Hino's. Not to mention they are much more powerful with smaller displacements which translates to better gas mileage. And they look better.
j_diesel 3:16AM (11/02/2007)
acutally i repaired them at a dealership. we also maintained whatever other trucks the customer had. i really had no idea about hino until i worked there for a while. i couldn't believe how easy they are to work on. if you want to continue to believe ford/GM make the best medium duty trucks in the world, go ahead. dodge doesn't even have a medium duty p/u and all the cabover domestics are imports. the GM top kick was horrible. the C4500/5500/6500 don't seem too bad now. the F450/550/650 are nice and also seem to be a good truck. you mentioned light duty p/u and the hino isn't competing in that market. they are a meduim duty work truck. i was commenting on the fact that a hino diesel in a light duty p/u would be fantastic. obviously you aren't going to cruise for chicks in an FB.
you also say the domestics make better engines in medium duty trucks. are you aware that the CAT engine in every meduim duty GM is not rebuildable (3116) as there are no liners in the block. i don't think the duramax has liners either. the Ford LCF is very close to what an FB was 5 years ago. the F550/650/750 do have engines which have liners, and do look good but i don't think a cummins ISC/ISL would fit in a 1 ton p/u.
the point is the domestic meduim duty trucks are good but from expirience repairing all models of trucks in similar types of service the hino, especially the drivetrain, was more reliable and required less major repairs than whatever was in the other trucks. a hino in a toyota 1 ton truck would be a fantastic idea.
as for smaller displacements and more power...you are aware that puts more stress on the internal components, right? sure an ISB 5.9L cummins has more power than a inline 6 hino but would you drag around 33,000 lbs with your Ram every day for 5 years? the hino is built to last and the engine output is conservative for a commercial application. if it were tuned for performance i know it would be capable of much higher numbers.