• Oct 31st 2007 at 4:18PM
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When Toyota launched the 2007 Tundra, the automotive juggernaut proclaimed that it finally had a legitimate contender vs. the F-150, Silverado and Ram. What Toyota didn't have, however, was a full-size offering to compete with the domestic heavy-duty trucks. Just for kicks, Toyota built a fantasy Tundra dually with an 8.2L Hino diesel powerplant cranking 300 HP and 600 ft-lbs., and displayed it at SEMA this week. We interviewed Warren Victor for more info on Toyota's SEMA super-hauler, and you can view it by pressing play above.

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      • 7 Years Ago
      the Hino diesel engine in this truck is likely a JO8-E (i think)inline 6 intercooled turbodiesel w/variable turbo. this engine is absolutely bulletproof. i worked at a Hino dealership for a number of years and can honestly say that in my time there i saw two internal engine failures during the warranty period which i think was 4years/unlimeted milage. as for the market that toyota is after...it is the light duty p/u market (sorry guys, your quad cab ram dually is a light duty p/u). in the early 2000's Hino was selling the cab-over FA and FB models which translate roughly to a HD one ton for the FA and something like a T4500 or F-450/550. they could seat 3 across the bench, came with vinyl flooring and came in any colour you wanted as long as it was white. you could buy something like 20 or more and they would let you paint them whatever colour you wanted. they also came with an allison auto or a Hino 5 speed syncromesh. the rear axle was also built by Hino. one FB went almost 900,000km before the engine died. most averaged better than 400,000km before major work was needed. leather bucket seats and paint colours are cool but if you need a serious work truck the Hino is absolutely the way to go. I think if toyota was serious about the diesel P/U market they should install the Hino diesel and don't worry about the HP numbers. i always thought the numbers were low on them as well but Hino works some kind of magic with the torque band to make the engine always feel like it can handle the job. for the record, the FA/FB had the four cylinder version (JO5-C) and the larger trucks (FD/FE/FF/SG) had the JO8-C.
      300hp and 600ft/lbs is pretty close to factory tune for the latest inline 6 (260hp and about 585 ftlbs) i bet there is at least another 100-200 hp and 200 ft lbs in that engine without major internal modifications and you would loose very little in reliabilty. stock tune it would go 500,000km easy without major rebuild. maybe 300,000km with mods. just my thoughts.
        • 7 Years Ago
        acutally i repaired them at a dealership. we also maintained whatever other trucks the customer had. i really had no idea about hino until i worked there for a while. i couldn't believe how easy they are to work on. if you want to continue to believe ford/GM make the best medium duty trucks in the world, go ahead. dodge doesn't even have a medium duty p/u and all the cabover domestics are imports. the GM top kick was horrible. the C4500/5500/6500 don't seem too bad now. the F450/550/650 are nice and also seem to be a good truck. you mentioned light duty p/u and the hino isn't competing in that market. they are a meduim duty work truck. i was commenting on the fact that a hino diesel in a light duty p/u would be fantastic. obviously you aren't going to cruise for chicks in an FB.
        you also say the domestics make better engines in medium duty trucks. are you aware that the CAT engine in every meduim duty GM is not rebuildable (3116) as there are no liners in the block. i don't think the duramax has liners either. the Ford LCF is very close to what an FB was 5 years ago. the F550/650/750 do have engines which have liners, and do look good but i don't think a cummins ISC/ISL would fit in a 1 ton p/u.
        the point is the domestic meduim duty trucks are good but from expirience repairing all models of trucks in similar types of service the hino, especially the drivetrain, was more reliable and required less major repairs than whatever was in the other trucks. a hino in a toyota 1 ton truck would be a fantastic idea.
        as for smaller displacements and more power...you are aware that puts more stress on the internal components, right? sure an ISB 5.9L cummins has more power than a inline 6 hino but would you drag around 33,000 lbs with your Ram every day for 5 years? the hino is built to last and the engine output is conservative for a commercial application. if it were tuned for performance i know it would be capable of much higher numbers.
        • 7 Years Ago
        Yes yes you sold Hino's so you think they are the best. Nice perception. In reality the US DOMESTICS make the toughest light duty and medium duty work trucks, and they all last longer than Hino's. Not to mention they are much more powerful with smaller displacements which translates to better gas mileage. And they look better.

      • 7 Years Ago
      So they hacked two 1/2 ton "trucks" and used frame from those and made 1ton. The tailgate also looks to be stock.
      • 5 Years Ago
      I own a F350 Dually,King Ranch. Being a Ford guy all life,and my father before me,plus my brothers and our sons.I am quite disappointed in the dependability of Ford for sometime now.I believe in American made,but I want to have peace of mind out on the open road.Especially long distance runs.I hear all the horror stories of all the American made trucks.I am ready for change that you can depend on. ruben
      • 7 Years Ago
      Thats a way around Consumer Reports "don't buy the V8"
      • 7 Years Ago
        • 7 Years Ago
        It's true, Take a joke
      • 7 Years Ago
      If Tundras' beds fell apart when people put ATVs in them I can't imagine all the other things that will go wrong when people try to use these for hard work.
      • 7 Years Ago
      I meant to say 600lb foot torque not 660, i must have said that because thats what the real trucks have, and i didnt proof read what i wrote before and made alot of changes so bare with the mistakes
      • 7 Years Ago
      I liked the look of this project Tundra. I have been waiting for a dually diesel Tundra for years. I told the dealer when I bought my last F350 that I was only there because Toyota didn't have a truck to pull my 5th wheel camper yet.

      I would bet the 300/600 figures were pretty conservative for what that engine is capable of. I hope it makes it to market in a few years.

      My preference would be for an 8 ft bed and the double cab vs the 6.5 ft bed and maxi cab though.
        • 5 Years Ago
        I agree with you 100%.Crew cab,8 foot bed,and goose neck fifth wheel capability.Turning radius a big plus,for those camp grounds.Iam a Ford F350 Dually" vet "ready for dependabiliy,and peace of mind.
      • 7 Years Ago
      This guy says it feel like it has alot of torque....if i drove a corolla or however you spell it i would say it anything feels like alot of torque, and 300hp and 660lb torque would not be a competitive with the american HD trucks, i know this is just a "project" and he did say they could really tune it better....all i can say is i sure hope so and for the best intrest of all tell toyota to stop making trucks, go back to tacomas (good hunting truck, back when they where really tough).......just for the record i know my spelling sucks
      • 7 Years Ago
      Read this and then watch this guy's body language. "This is ummm, pretty much a fantasy truck. The best truck we could build."

      This guy seems genuinely embarrassed by this ugly POS.

      It's hard to think Toyota could make the Tundra uglier and more bloated looking, but they did. Congrats.

      • 7 Years Ago
      I really think this is a great truck! I hope TOYOTA actually mass produce these awesome trucks for the market, it would be great to see the domestic consumers gawk in awe when these "ROBOTRUCKS" cruise down the roads and or sit at traffic lights. and I am really glad that TOYOTA is going in the right direction...... I cannot wait and see how TOYOTA can prove the above people who put in negative comments about a great TOYOTA product on the market WRONG. GOOD JOB TOYOTA!!! hats off to you.
      Fred O\'Neal
      • 7 Years Ago
      I love "Big Doolies", as we call them here. I guess that could and would be a cool design if they cleaned it up a bit. Right now it looks like a science project.

      I second the rep on Hino, they make great stuff but it is very specific to the M/D segment. It would certainly never go over well in a Toyota. Considering what Toyota buyers are typically looking in a vehicle, I doubt the Hino would satisfy.

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