• Oct 23rd 2007 at 4:01PM
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click above image to view more pics of the Euro-spec Honda Civic Type-R

For some strange reason, the U.S. is sort of like the village of the damned when it comes to cool overseas products, because we never seem to get anything that our friends overseas get. Take the Civic Type-R, for instance. It's a sweet hatch that looks way cooler than the Si coupe or sedan Honda sells Stateside. Now comes word from Autocar in the UK that the Type-R will soon receive a high-revving diesel engine. The 2.2L turbodiesel, which will also power the 2009 Accord, is rumored to kick out 180 HP and 320 ft-lbs. of torque. A top Honda powertrain engineer, Kenichi Nagahiro, says that the diesel-powered Type-R will live up to the Civic Type-R's performance standards. All that fun and 40-50 mpg sounds like something that would sell in the U.S.

Since we'll eventually be getting a diesel-powered Accord in the near future, maybe there is a chance that some day we'll see a diesel Civic on sale in the U.S. As for the Type-R hatch ever being seen in the U.S., we're going with fat chance.

[Source: Autocar]




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      • 7 Years Ago
      There isn't anything that I wouldn't do for this car in the USA!!!

      #1- I want the EU hatcback version of the Civic!
      #2- My next car purchase needs to get a minimun of 35mpg city since that's what my '90 CRX is already getting!
      • 7 Years Ago
      I'm no Honda fan-boy, but that sounds like an awesome engine.
      • 7 Years Ago
      Whats the gas power torque rating? With that amount of torque with the diesel----I freaking want diesels in my driveway. Bring 'em on!!!
      • 7 Years Ago
      This will add about 150lbs to the front end of an already front-heavy car. What's "R" about it?
      • 7 Years Ago
      While I agree it sounds awesome in terms of specs, for once I disagree that it looks better than our US counterpart. Honestly, I think the current Civic SI is probably the best looking car Honda has produced in years...
      • 7 Years Ago
      @ Dondonel

      That's much less pollution by the way, My mistake.
      • 7 Years Ago
      Dondonel, I think you've been spending too much time in Amsterdam smoking. I was in France for the last 3 months and there are two reasons for the diesels popularity in Europe: significantly improved gas mileage and also the diesels ability to reach low CO2/km emissions regulations (which is related to gas mileage); regulations that gasoline motors can not match for the same performance. With the developments in NOx treatment, the NOx levels from the diesels has dropped greatly. So exactly how do diesels pollute more and by how much? I'm curious to know since you said that they do.

      By the way, CO2 emissons are a main driver behind diesels in Europe and the US limit for CO2 emissions is roughly twice that of Europe.
        • 7 Years Ago
        There are no European CO2 regulations for cars, only a lot a talk about them. Diesels and gasoline cars of the same power and quality have the same CO2 emissions:


        2007 BMW 530i: 271.7 PS, 182 g/km
        2004 BMW 535d: 271.7 PS, 211 g/km
        2007 BMW 535d: 285.9 PS, 182 g/km

        You see here that the older diesel had larger CO2 emissions, the new one has pretty much the same with the gasoline equivalent.
        • 7 Years Ago
        There's CO2, and then there's everything else that diesels push out. Sure, BlueTec helps a lot, but it's a complex system, requires maintenance and still doesn't come close to, say, a non-hybrid gasoline PZEV, let alone a CNG.

        Plus, there's the little fact that one unit of diesel, from ground to pump, requires more units of crude than an equivalent volume of gasoline. Combine that with the increased emissions and it really doesn't look that green, does it?

        Diesel succeeds in Europe because of the monstrous tax breaks in countries home to manufacturers that have heavily invested in diesel technology. In European states where diesel is on a fair footing (Switzerland, for one), gasoline does quite well.

        Diesel appeals to gearheads because it's simple (compared to hybrids) and lends to high-torque applications (unlike CNG or LPG). But it isn't as energy efficient as it's portrayed and it _is_ dirtier.
      • 7 Years Ago
      @Why not the LS2/LS7

      Seems like a pretty comprehensive document (from a US point of view). Your argument for everyone buying new gas cars maybe right but that also depends on the gas car MPG as well, diesel's are better in that area and the technology is improving. "FR"= (Formula Racing).
      • 7 Years Ago
      @Dondonel

      Your right about the tax on diesel and how it's increased sales, But to say they don't excel on anything apart from pollution is wrong. A lot of the new diesels engines now have particulate filters so there's much pollution pumping out nowadays. Performance? I drove a Seat Leon FR diesel (170 Bhp) on the UK motorways for a few weeks and while it may not have the instant acceleration of the petrol engine (200Bhp) let me tell you now, the car was rapid. The economy was approx 38-45 MPG, trust me it was decent. If you drivers had more of cars like these in the US you think the same over time.
        • 7 Years Ago
        Yes, diesels are cleaner now, but not as clean as they should be. I don't know what is the cause for this, perhaps the crowded cities, too many old cars, or too many diesels, but when I go to Europe, the streets simply stink because of the fuel smell, both petrol and diesel, burnt or less so. It is one of the first things I notice in Europe, though I didn't in the past, when I used to live there.
      • 7 Years Ago
      Dear Honda,

      WE WANT THIS HERE IS THE U.S. OF A!!!!

      Why do the Americans get stuck with crap versions of cars? I really dont understand it.

      Sincerely,

      -B
        • 7 Years Ago
        We get the shaft for two reasons...

        1) Americans don't by hatchbacks in any real numbers, no matter how great a car it might be

        2) American's still don't get the idea of how great diesel cars are

        To be fair, until we started getting the cleaner diesel, many of thse great engines wouldn't run here.

        I too will cast a vote for BRING THAT CAR HERE!!!
        • 7 Years Ago
        SOOooooo agreed,

        I was thinking the same thing for quite a while now.

        I think it's cause the auto companies know most of us in the US are ok with crappy unoriginal cars. They've pulled the wool over our eyes and reaped the benefits.

        Look at the Euro version of the Focus. More tech, better styling, better handling, for the same price!

        Bastards!
      • 7 Years Ago
      I own a black Si Coupe -- HFP aero, suspension/lowering, 18" wheels with 235s, SRI, Hondata reflash. It's not a "crap car."

      But, even with the weight gain on this model, and my car's slight upgrades, this diesel would have roughly double the torque/weight ratio of my car. It'll be geared MUCH taller, but it'll still feel quicker in roll-ons. Not sure it would be quicker from a stop, but I'd love to give it a try...
      • 7 Years Ago
      Bastards.
      Rat Bastards.
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