• Oct 23, 2007
There have been many pretenders to the throne of "F1 car for the road". Ferrari, McLaren... even newcomer Caparo has joined the frey. But this has to be the farthest contender off the mark, if not the most worthy of the name "pretender" at least.

Our friends at The Hollywood Extra have a spy shot and an artist's rendering of a clone, of all things, wearing the F1 nameplate. The car, which appears to be a carbon copy of Toyota's cut-price Aygo, is made by Byd, one of the many Chinese automakers turning out carbon-copy clones of mainstream vehicles already on the market elsewhere in the world. The shocker: it's purported to have a list price equivalent to $3,500 in Chinese Yuan. That's right, the price of this car is probably less than a single tire on an actual F1 car.

[Source: The Hollywood Extra]



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      • 7 Years Ago
      Is that a counterfeit Caddy STS in the background behind the "masked" F1? We'll never know...
      • 7 Years Ago
      McLaren should have moved their offices to China earlier this year. Would have saved them $100 million.
      • 7 Years Ago
      Mark my words, give Chinese car companies 15-20 years in the market and they will be close to the level of Hyundai/Kia now. 15-20 years after that one of them will be challenging Toyota for world market supremacy.

      Is this a good thing or a bad thing? I really don't know but the economist in me says competition is good and global competition is globally good.
        • 7 Years Ago
        It would definitely be a bad thing. Competition is one thing, but making unsafe clones of existing cars is just wrong. If China ever does rule the automotive industry, it will be a dark day for humanity, it will mean we are willing to give up quality and mostly safety to save a buck.
        • 7 Years Ago
        I don't think Chinese automakers can do well while making inferior and unsafe products. That is one of the beauties of competition, we have other, safer, better designed choices. The Chinese automakers will have to improve drastically in many areas. I just think that, given time, they will improve and become a legitimate competitor.

        So, if Chinese automakers improve to the point where they start making some pretty decent cars, like the Koreans with the Sonata, then is it still bad? Still don't know.
      • 7 Years Ago
      The Chinese's secret plan is to use the painting scheme to cause epileptic seizures in all the other drivers and cause them to wreck. There is no need to be fast when you have a winning formula.

      Muhahahahaha...
      • 7 Years Ago
      Are you telling me there have been no sightings of any kind of vehicle in over a week?
      This story has been here that long. How odd.
      • 7 Years Ago
      Wow, first post, and we're already bashing China using the ridiculous, over-Americanized concept of copyright.

      I feel no sympathy for you guys. You outsource your dirt-cheap labour to sweat-shops in China so you can have your cheap, plastic crap from Walmart, and you expect them to honour your absurd concept of "intellectual property" (I like to refer to enforcement of such as "thought crime").

      The fact is, you're screwed and there's nothing you can do about it. No one is going to vote for the candidate who releases your reliance on China for your boxstore goods, thereby raising the price of said goods five-fold, so that China will have any sort of incentive to enforce your thought crimes.

      Look, I'm not saying China is perfect (they're civil liberties record is appalling), but you've got a long way to go before you can start throwing around insults and accusations.

      ["That's true, I forgot about that. As a designer, the only thing I really have before production is intellectual property"]
      Then you need to seriously rethink your business model, because it has already failed.
        • 7 Years Ago
        Intellectual property, much like a verbal contract will hold up in court as long as you can provide evidence of it. Intellectual property includes sketched, models, renderings, etc... and is just the same as a piece of paper saying you have a copyright on that item.

        I'm saying that if I invent a new cheeseburger and call it a johnny burger, no one else can have a johnny burger, I'm not saying no one else can have a cheeseburger.

        so, if someone steals, or copies a design, that I created it is theft of intellectual property, which is illegal. I used extremely illegal to refer to jail time, a DUI is a minor offense and will put you in jail for a night while a more serious crime will put you in for longer.

        So, sorry if I offended you by putting words in your mouth, that's the way you were coming off, and maybe you'll know how it feels now.
        • 7 Years Ago
        Wow, way to shove words down my throat... Let's pretend those sarcastic "you are perfect" and "America is the worst thing to happen" comments you made doesn't exist because I never said nor implied any such thing.

        ["Basically you're angry at us because we think that a person has a right to their ideas?"]
        Do you seriously think that you have a right to an idea that no one else has? Do you really think that you are the *only* person out of SIX BILLION to have a specific idea at any given time? I hope not.

        Ideas cannot be suppressed, hidden or kept secret because someone is bound to have the same idea (or copy it) eventually. This will makes the whole concept of "intellectual property" absurd and nullified.

        ["It's pretty much like identity theft."]
        Uh, no. Identify theft is a stupid term, actually. Theft requires you actually deprive someone of a physical thing they own. If you "steal" someone's identify, it's still their identity, so you haven't "stolen" anything -- it's "fraud" and that's it. Likewise, you can't "steal" an idea or a concept as it's infinitely duplicable, in the same way you can't "steal" a flame, only make it stronger.

        ["I'm a design student right now and do some design work for my father's business, which produces all of it's product in the U.S.A., and is doing quite well, may I add."]
        That's great! I'm just saying, that you shouldn't be relying on utilitarian propositions as law. You have no more right to make residual profits than anyone in any other sort of occupation.

        And, by the way, there's no such thing as "extremely" illegal. It's either illegal or it's not, so stop using stupid adjectives in your failed attempts to express importance.
        • 7 Years Ago
        Wow, we're opinionated today. Basically you're angry at us because we think that a person has a right to their ideas? That if they have a technical innovation, or a new business idea that they are not allowed possession of that? It's common business law, usually called a non-compete clause saying that you have complete ownership of a certain product, in this case, a certain type of car.

        The whole problem here is that this company stole a design, which is extremely illegal. It's pretty much like identity theft.

        When I talked about intellectual property I was talking pre-production, like before something is produced, so make sure you use the entire quote before you try to make someone look stupid, it's called perversion of the truth and is a crime. I'm a design student right now and do some design work for my father's business, which produces all of it's product in the U.S.A., and is doing quite well, may I add.

        I'd like to know what percentage of the things you own were produced in a Chinese sweat shop, probably more than you know, but I forgot, you're absolutely perfect in every single way and America is the worst thing to ever happen. Sorry you feel that way.
      • 7 Years Ago
      you know, it may very well be that Toyota 'sold' the design of their Aygo to Byd for some good money. Maybe it's an older design that Toyota is retiring, might as well make a few more bucks off of it??

      why else are we not hearing even a complaint from Toyota itself???
        • 7 Years Ago
        The design was actually penned by PSA as part of a joint venture between both PSA and Toyota. All three models are built at the same facility in the Czech Republic.

        The Byd model apes the Toyota variant the most, but it's PSA who should be getting out of their pram over the issue.
      • 7 Years Ago
      Let me first say that China or Korean copying designs is nothing new. Nobody can do anything about it, because so far it is not hurting anyone.
      _____

      Having said that it is amazing to see people complaining about communism when there houses are already full of Chinese products. More amazing is that these are the same morons who think America is spreading democracy in the world. I don't think a single American who post here even realizes how much they borrow from rest of the world (especially China and Japan). If you stop buying Chinese and Japanese products they will start selling their American tresury notes ...
        • 7 Years Ago
        hey DESI,
        u haven't gone to "these" people's houses to check whether they have Chinese made goods or not. So don't sit there and bash people about their efforts in boycotting Chinese goods if that is what they can do to protest. And nobody said "America is spreading democracy" ; rather America foreign policy is promoting the need for democracy and the one place they ignore is China. Get a history lesson on their human rights track record before. Whatever crap they wanna sell in their country is their business but when they talk about bringin it here, that's gonna raise flags about intellectual property. And being an Indian you should be worried about India's trade relations with China considering the past wars they've fought against each other.

        Japan is out of this discussion.
      • 7 Years Ago
      it's funny how they have this F1 all hidden under masquing tape.... are they worried someone will steal their design? hahaha

      surely a design as original as theirs should be kept confidential at all costs
      • 7 Years Ago
      Ill stick with the Toyota version---I dont want to do like the purchasers of Russian Trabants----Who wants to push their new car home from the dealer?
      • 7 Years Ago
      How do Chinese car companies get away with stealing designs from other companies? It's extremely illegal. Couldn't the World court do something about this? I'm sure All these companies would appreciate sales in China, instead of a copy of their vehicle being sold there.
        • 7 Years Ago
        yeah, it's where they try war criminals and countries that allow stuff like this to go on, basically if there is an international law broken, like stealing designs or murdering tons of people, then it goes to the world court.
        • 7 Years Ago
        there's a "World Court" ?


        i'm surprised they havent started selling cars in that checkerboard pattern thinking they were ripping someone off.

        we americans support communism all day long.....sad as that is.

        • 7 Years Ago
        There is no Chinese word for "copyright".
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