• Oct 5th 2007 at 9:29AM
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We remember back in 2005 2006 when the first Chinese automaker to exhibit at the Detroit Auto Show made history just by attending. That would be Geely, and though its display was relegated to the front lobby, the motoring press was impressed by its mere presence in the Motor City. Fast Forward to 2008 and the largest ever contingent of Chinese automakers has just been announced as confirmed for this year's Detroit Auto Show. They include Changfeng Motor Group, BYD Auto Co., China America Automotive Inc./ZXNA, Ls Shi Guang Ming Auto Design Co. and, of course, Geely International Group.

But where's the Nanjing Automobile Corporation, Shanghai Automotive Industry Corp. (SAIC), Brilliance Auto and Chery Automobile? We seem to hear more about those companies and their aspirations to enter the U.S. market than the ones attending the Detroit Auto Show this year, save for Geely. We'll of course be on hand to see what each has to offer, but while the number of Chinese automakers attending is a record this year, we still think a few of the more promising ones are missing.

[Source: The Detroit News]

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      • 8 Years Ago
      The wheels and the front clip are very last gen Mercedes but then it all goes to hell in the back.

      Would I rather a Chinese car when we could just import some French cars?

      What would you rather?
        • 8 Years Ago
        testa di cazzo,
        you are a super genius. I bask in the warmth of your superiority.

        I think it was pretty clear that I am implying that importing Chinese cars into North America (as there are plans to do so) would be pretty foolish when the French car market is jam packed with stylish, safe, practical, and sporty cars at all ends of the market spectrum.
        • 8 Years Ago
        that has to be the dumbest question i've ever heard. french cars have been heralded for decades with some of the most ingenius engineering feats, as well as award winning design, never mind making the best car (performance) in the world, the Bugatti Veyron. Yes, Bugatti is French...

        comparing htem to chinese is just an insult to the automotive industry...
      • 8 Years Ago
      The new Geely class not available in Mercedes Benz dealers.
      • 8 Years Ago
      holy S-Class copies, batman!
      • 8 Years Ago
      Wasn't Geely's lobby-booth from the 2006 show, not the 2005?
      • 8 Years Ago
      Someone is shaking. But I'd like to see how cheap a car can be to be sold here. If they are cheap and good, I won't avoid it.
      • 8 Years Ago
      down with with commies and their shit cars!
      • 8 Years Ago
      blah blah blah copycat blah blah blah I'd rather cut off mah balls than drive a Chinese car blah blah blah random racist rant blah blah blah American children licking lead car paint bla blah blah Chinese is evil blah blah blah let's drop a nuke on their C***k ass blah blah blah...

      Any more standard mindless/racist dribble regarding Chinese cars I've missed?

      Enjoy your rants, boys. You know your forefathers did said exact same thing about the Japanese cars back in the 60's and Korean cars in the 90's, right? It will only be a few more years before the Chinese learned their lesson and start producing real competitive cars. But I'm sure the racist in y'all will just fine some new epitaphs to throw at them Asiatics, right? I guess that's what count as The American Spirit now - use racial slurs/stereotypes instead of quality products to protect our fragile domestic auto industry.

      Instead of putting them down, the Japanese and Koreans are preparing diligently for upcoming Chinese onslaught, especially in the Third World countries. While some American car makers are smart enough to join them before they become a threat, the domestic fanbois are enjoying mental masturbation about American superiority (Hey, they made bad toys! Surely they'll always be making bad cars because they're all the same exact faceless Chinese working in this one huge factory called "China". We're #1!). Whatever makes you happy in your dead end jobs, boys.

        • 8 Years Ago
        > It will only be a few more years before the Chinese learned their lesson and start producing real competitive cars.

        Price-driven market condition of Chinese domestic auto-market prohibits that from happening. In fact, building a well-engineered quality car in China using quality parts is a kiss-of-death in China, where car prices drop 10~15% each year and buyers are willing to overlook quality problems in pursuit of lower prices.

        The situation was exactly the opposite in Japan and Korea, where buyers were willing to pay price premium for quality.

        > Instead of putting them down, the Japanese and Koreans are preparing diligently for upcoming Chinese onslaught, especially in the Third World countries.

        Third-world markets are insignificant in volume. The only emerging markets that matter beside China are India, controlled by a Japanese(Suzuki : 50% market share) and a Korean(Hyundai : 30% market share) auto companies, and Russia, which has shown an aversion toward Chinese vehicles. Russian government actually rejected all license requests by Chinese automakers to build their CKD factories in Russia, while granting all requests by Japanese and Korean automakers.

        If Chinese cars are not good enough for Russia, why are they good for America?
        • 8 Years Ago
        you had such a good point. One that many people agree with but c'mon buddy. You ruined it with your poor writing and insults.

        The dead end jobs comment was just the icing on the cake.

        Better luck next time.
      • 8 Years Ago
      Unfortunately for rolex, bmw,... demand for knockoffs drives supply, and not the otherway around. I think these products say more about consumers than they do about the producers.
      • 8 Years Ago
      'Relegated' is such an appropriate word. I think they'll be put in the same areas as all the other vehicles that get 1-Star safety ratings.
      • 8 Years Ago
      What happen to the rumor that the Chinese automakers were consolidating? All these different companies are going ruin it for the one or two companies that may actually rise to the level of the Korean and Japanese companies IMO.
      • 7 Years Ago
      Forgave my poor English, because I really really have something to say.
      I'm a Chinese guy, HeNan province.
      I can't belive such a car will sell in US, The car and the other cars of the factory are very normal here on the road.
      the car was fully copied the XiaLi car in TianJin, the chassis and the engine(I don't konw if the gearbox). and the XiaLi was 198x DAIHATSU's Charade in Japan.
      As XiaLi is quite quite normal in China, Everyone know cars in China konw it clearly and deep.(because it was Taxi in many cities several years ago,and is the Taxi in small cities like my hometown). At that time(197x~198x), small cars always made to pursuit comfort, the FF cars always have independent rear wheels,and for technical and money problems they can't have multilink rear suspension, instead of doublelink(i don't know if i can call it this).so the chassis is not strong especially over 100km/h. but with precise design and calculate the car can still work about 10 years, and the Toyota 8A engine is really good.
      The next I want to say , is Geely's car doesn't "Copy" it legally, They just bought XiaLi cars and 3D scaned it and the engine, They don't got the blueprint the data and the technical support, the first Taxis of my hometown (called MeiRi made by the factory) five or six years ago have distinct in no more than 3years. bacause they can't be repaired. when you see them run on the road ,you will soon notice it's wheels are not on one line,and they rolls very urgly. I asked two or three Taxi dirvers, they said the suspension can not adjustable even you adjust it every week. and no need to talk the engine.so, now the Taxis of my town is nearlly all XiaLi made in TianJin,not ZheJiang Geely.
      The picture above like Merdeces named ZiYouJian is also a MeiRi car ,just in different look, still the copy version of XiaLi's engine and chassis suspension. don't think they looked so defferent, I check the bottom of it. and many people konw it,they looked the same.but the different is ,the XiaLi car is 860kg, but the ZiYouJian is much more than 1ton.if you are an engineer you should konw what will happened with the chassis and brakes originally disigned for a 860kg car ! The ZiYouJian car has been sold for about three years, at the start dozens on the road of my town(just because many Chinese pepole don't konw cars and chose them only for size and look). and now, it is hard to see one on the road of my town.I don't where they were gone~~,and as pepole got more money in the two years, they always buy cars above 100kYuan,not50kYuan. there are two or three ZiYouJian Taxis,but not popular because for the Taxi drivers, they need more 2L gas than XiaLi every 100km.(XiaLi is 5.5L/100km , ZiYouJian is 7.xL/100km). so, if you are really more poor than us, just go to DAIHATSU or SUZUKI, they made really cheap small cars,and can design cars and make them work for years.finally what words you called "unlegal copy"?
      It is really a hard work to type all these, I used two hours. my dictionary software and ViaVoice don't work togather.You can paste it anywhere you like, tell more people who want buy this car and any other chinese copy car.
      I use unlegal US software and watch unlegal US TV programmes, I will start to pay for them after I get more than 1 million Yuan. I swear.
        • 7 Years Ago
        Forgive my poor English, (and bear with me because) I really have something to say. I'm a Chinese guy from Henan Province in China.
        I can't believe that a car such as Geely will sell in the U.S. market. Although the Geely CK (Ziyoujian) and other Geely models are typically seen on the roads of China, they are all copies of models made by Xiali Automotive in Tianjin, China. Both the chassis and the engine are copies. As for the gearbox, I don't know. The model of Xiali (targeted for copying) was a 1980s model of the Daihatsu Charade from Japan.
        Because the Xiali car is quite common in China, everyone is very familiar with the company. It became common because several years ago it was the only taxi available in small cities like my hometown. At that time, in the late 70s and early 80s, small cars were designed with comfort in mind. All the front wheel drive cars had independent rear suspensions. But for technical, and cost reasons, they had double link suspensions instead of multilink (as is common today). So the chassis was not strong at speeds above 100 kph.. But because of (the company's) precise design and careful calculations, the car still managed to have a life expectancy of more than 10 years, (thanks in large part to) the engine which was a Toyota 8A.
        The next thing I want to say is that Geely didn't get this technology from Xiali legally. They just purchased some Xiali cars, and (reverse engineered) the vehicle and the engine. Five or six years ago, the first taxis In my hometown, were made by Geely. It was the Meiri model. But they didn't last more than three years because after being used that long, they were unrepairable. If you were to see them on the road you would notice that the wheels were out alignment, and a real eyesore as a result. When I asked two or three taxi drivers about this condition, they said that even if you make adjustments to the suspension every week, the wheels go out of alignment anyway. As for the engines, they were even worse. Because of this poor Geely quality, the taxis of my hometown are now all made by Tianjin Xiali Automotive.
        The car seen above that resembles a Mercedes, is called a Ziyoujian. When you look underneath you can see that both the Meiri and the Ziyoujian share the same platform and engine as the Xiali Charade. But the Xiali weighs only 860kg. while the Ziyoujian weighs one ton. Of course any engineer can tell you what will happen to the chassis and brakes of a one ton vehicle that was built on a platform designed for only 860kg !
        The Ziyoujian has been on the market for about three years. In the beginning there were dozens on the roads of my hometown. That's because most Chinese don't know anything about engineering, and buy based solely on looks and vehicle size. But now it is hard to see any left on the roads of my town, they're all gone. Maybe its because in the last couple of years people have gotten richer and so are now buying cars with price tags over 100,000 Yuan as compared to a high of 50,000 Yuan in the past. There are two or three Ziyoujian taxis in my hometown but they are not popular with the taxi drivers because of poor fuel economy. They use (almost) 2 liters more per kilometer than the Xiali model taxi (Xiali:5.5 liter/km vs. Ziyoujian (7.4) liters/km).
        In the final analysis, if you are poorer than we are, then go ahead and purchase a Daihatsu or a Suzuki. Both these companies make a cheap small car designed to last for years (and they are not illegal copies).
        It was really hard work to type all of this. It took two hours. Unfortunately my dictionary software and ViaVoice don't work well together. But you are free to cut and paste what I have written, anywhere you want to. That way you can warn people who might want to buy this, or any other Chinese pirated car.
        I must confess here that I myself do use illegal U.S. software and watch illegal U.S. TV programs. But once I make more than one million Yuan then I will begin paying for them. I swear to you that I will.

        Bag has done a great job here giving us a piece of his mind. In this redo I have tried to help a bit more in communicating his important ideas.
        • 7 Years Ago
        thank you for redo my comment , it is very helpfull to my English learnling , thank you for redo such a long comment,I will save it in my computer*_^
      • 8 Years Ago
      The commies are coming. First they put leads in the paint to poison our kids, next they make copied cars that WILL explode on the freeway, and finally the last step in the invasion is to blame all these on Iran so that America will go to war with the wrong country *again*.

      But in all seriousness, the domestic market are in for a tough fight. If the Korean proved they can do it so will the shameless Chinese. Yes, I'm Chinese, the kind with face.
        • 8 Years Ago
        Actually, Gen. Ripper, the Commies started with the flouride in our water :)
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