• Sep 22, 2007
click above image to see more shots of the Nissan GT-R p0wn the Porsche


We'll start by saying that it's not exactly hearsay, but it's not anywhere near official, either. Take one 997 Porsche Turbo that has lapped the 'Ring in 7:40, practically fast enough to form one of those Stargate SG-1 vortexes behind it. Then take one Nissan GT-R, benchmarked against that Porsche Turbo, and flog that baby around the 'Ring as fast as possible. Add a few reporters on hand with stopwatches. And when the GT-R flies past the finish line, the reporters discover those stopwatches have come to rest after just 7:38.

So the story is that the GT-R is two seconds faster than the 911 Turbo on the Nurburgring. And the Skyline in the photos doesn't even look to be the mad-gunner EVO-spec version. If that's the case -- and yes, that's a big if -- and say you allow for the inaccuracy of handheld stopwatches and add two seconds, so the GT-R did the same time as the Porsche Turbo... Well, we're not crowning a victor, or speculating about the whats and whys, or what will happen when the real timed laps in production versions are done... we're just saying that's pretty good. That's all.

[Source: KGP Photography]



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      • 7 Years Ago
      Hey Mike,
      You know this car hasn't really been available in the US except as an Infiniti G-series the last couple of years.
        • 7 Years Ago
        I was speaking of all the tuner car "icons" namely the NSX, Supra, and previous version GT-Rs (knowing full well that the GT-R wasn't sold here, if it was really that great- someone would be importing it or building it from parts to bring to the track).
      • 7 Years Ago
      Sorry Philip, didnt see that you already posted the link to the lap times.
      • 7 Years Ago
      Dude my JDM R-Spec YZM32 25 hut, hut, hike will beat your Z-Spec T280BZ-R58-YYZ any day.

      Oh yeah, and anyone who doesn't think the new GT-R, Supra, or NSX can get around the Ring in 2.2 seconds is a redneck. Even if two out of the three haven't been created yet.

      Seriously, is the tuner craze anything more than bench racing, rolling starts on the highway, and Grand Turismo? I've run with multiple different sports car clubs and while there are plenty of EVOs and STIs, I never see any of the "iconic" Japanese cars. I have, however, been on track with GT3s, Gallardos, F430s, Ford GTs, Cobra Rs, Nobles, Exiges, to name a few. I think the only reason that there is so much respect among that community for these cars is because they are a pipe dream. It'll be interesting to see if any of these new ones make any track appearances after they are out. Until then, I think any of this crap is just OEM hype to people talking about their company and looking at their showrooms.
        • 7 Years Ago
        @ The King,

        Obviously your mental capacity isn't able to process sarcasm. The redneck comment is taken from an earlier post insinuating that just thinking a Corvette is faster than a GT-R makes you a redneck. The only ones on this board using redneck comments seriously are the import fanbois.

        As for the GT-R not being available in the U.S.- no duh, but Supras, NSXs, etc are available and I still don't see them representing at the track- of which I HAVE been to and competed on (NASA, SCCA, and have been to SVTOA/Shelby Club, F-body, Porsche club, and BMW club events which don't limit the make/models of the cars that can compete). Plus people do import parts of the car to convert it to a GT-R from a 240. But still again, much talk, no representation, if the car was that amazing, there would be many more people getting them to these shores- there's lots of money represented at these track days/competitions.

        I'll also explain my point so that you can understand it- all the hype means crap until you put up. If this car is the second coming, I should see at least a few of them at the track the year they're released and there should be pro teams campaigning them. If they're that fast, then great for them, if not- then we'll know it's all OEM hype once again. PERIOD.
        • 7 Years Ago
        Knowledge is water but fools remain thirsty

        Most of you know absolutely nothing about the GT-Rs save what you may have seen on video games, read on the Net, yet here you are speaking as if you made the damn car!!!
        Let me see if can bring some history here, but I will condence it in lieu of time and space
        The 7:59 was done by a R33 400R GT-R, a production car!! This was a heavy car!! Yet it was the second production car to break 8 , a Jag was the first!! It is obvious Americans know next to nothing about the car since it does not have a racing heritage and was not sold there in dealerships.
        The reason why there has been such disputes about the time has mainly come from Porsche(yes). This was because the GT-R turned the sports car world on its head, with the ability to outperform a 996 TT with only 380 Hp and a curb weight of 3500lbs.
        The Nismo mass production GT-R with N1 engine that compete in the 24 HRS @ Nurburing finished 5th in its class GT1, beaten only by the McLaren F1 LM( a hell of a car!)
        They won their class for 4 years in the Open Class at Pikes Peak International Hill Climb a dangerous trek you would dare trying in a Corvette!!!
        The GT-R is more than just about horsepower, because Nissan is concentrating on the overall balance of the car: aerodynamics and suspension over just absolute power. Most american car folks dont notice things like the fact that aero is a bigger part of going fast than is horsepower or even WEIGHT!!! Having the right aerodynamics makes a huge difference. You can tune a wing, canards, body panels and diffusers as you would an engine. That is why cars such as the GT-R, the Mitsu Evos and others can keep up and even surpass 600hp supercars , though having way less power.
        Cars with more horsepower: you can get more speed in the topend but again to put down those numbers, it has got to have the right overall balance.
        @ Mike
        You dont see Skyline GT-R aplenty in the US because they were never made for the US, man!!
        However, if you go the UK, Australia, Japan and whole host of other countries: GT-Rs, and NSXs are parked with: Porsches, Ferrarris, MBs and Lambo: all exotics!!
        Know you stuff before you talk or you'll look stupid

        Plus you aint never been on no track!!!
        And stop discrediting the time. Nissan execs had nothing to do with the people who had the stop-watches and who wrote the reports: Ask winding road, edmunds-inside line and you will get the story behind who took the shots and the times.
        The Corvette is not the only car that will be affordable and be a world beater so get use to it!!!!
        and cut the bigotry crap that seems to have invaded Autoblog!!
        Peace

      • 7 Years Ago
      The smart people will just wait 6 months and get it for less than sticker. Remember the Myata?
      • 7 Years Ago
      Looks like i'll have to wait till the hype dies down before even thinking of buying this sucker.
      • 7 Years Ago
      Nice, looks fast for an unofficial time. But until we see the official time I reserve judgment. I still the think the 911 turbo might be tad quicker around the ring. What's the testing procedure for "Official" lap times? The Z06's time around the ring is a couple of ticks of the watch slower if I recall correctly. Can't wait to see a Viper vs. Corvette vs. GT-R vs. R8 vs. 911 comparison.
        • 7 Years Ago
        Are you serious, does anyone here even know about cars or the actual performance numbers or ppl just quote what stupid journalists tell you becomes the bible..

        anyhow the 911 turbo was recorded @ the ring for 7:47 with PS2s and with Cups the car put down 7:40 which even the porsche community laughs at, saying its never possible considering what sports auto has accomplished, anyhow, the Z06 still remains the king of the hill with the best ring time and also the best acceleration..

        anyhow I think the the GTR will be kick ass machine for a great price, the base version will most likely run with the C6/911S, the V-Spec with the Z06/911 category but still be behind the 2 and Evo will probably be able to somewhere between the 911 Turbo and GT2 but wouldnt be able to touch a blue devil ZR-1 Vette.. thats how it will be, that being said i cant wait to get my v-spec, will probably trade my C6 in
        • 7 Years Ago
        The Z06 isn't the king of the ring and it never has been. There are allot of production cars which have run faster times.
        • 7 Years Ago
        One thing we need to keep in mind is that most people who considers a Porsche is not really in the market for a GT-R. Nor are they in the market for a Porsche for it's performance. People, in general, who are purchasing these cars [Porsches and Ferraries] do it for the name and for what it's worth the exclusivity rather than all out performance. If performance is the primary objective, I still think a Z06 will be the king. You can't beat the bang for the buck you get out of the vette.
        That said, most people that will consider the GT-R will be those who know it's heritage and familiar with the R32, 33 & 34. I've driven all three [R32 - 34] and I'm not very impressed with them. They were heavy cars that went well in a straight line but when it came to go around corners, there were other cars that are much better balanced and ran quicker. I'm sure this variation of the GT-R is better balanced and possibly lighter than it's predecessors so I'm anxious to see a real world test on these cars to see how they fair against the mass market.
      • 7 Years Ago
      This car taking so long to develop it's beyond the joke.
      • 7 Years Ago
      I think people might be forgetting that the gt3 is faster and cheaper than the turbo, atleast when C&D had their hands on it at VIR it was considerably faster than the turbo. Like 4 seconds faster around the approx. 4 mile VIR, I imagine it'd be more than 2 seconds faster around the ring.
      • 7 Years Ago
      The GT-R looks good... and right about the time it comes out I will be in the market to replace my RX8 (yes i know huge huge upgrade). If one can grab a GT-R, say the mid range version for 60 to 70K then I will be interested. Supposedly beating a 911 turbo around the ring is impressive for the cost. the 911 being $130K.

      I have six months to go before I start shopping for real, the V8 M3, GT-R, and 08' Z06 Vette are on my list. The vette is tempting me right now... each are designed to do different things though. All I know is that if I'm going to drop money on one, it better be better then sex LOL
        • 7 Years Ago
        To Howard,
        I don't think it take 7 sec to go around the ring. >,> While you complain about Jeff comment why don't you just google it or something? Heck, if you don't know anything about the ring then I don't think you should be flaming other people comment.
        • 7 Years Ago
        Well... Jeff, the Nuerburgring is a 13mi long track in the Eiffel mountains in/around Germany. It is famous (besides the 70 year racing history) for the fact that it combines everything from banked curves (Karussel) to high-speed sections. This whopping combination is very dangerous but provides a great test track for sports cars, which is why companies like GM.
        • 7 Years Ago
        Better than sex? You've got to be kidding or are you a member of the VIAGRA crowd?
        Something else; just how far is it around the RING that it takes over 7 sec. to make a round, what are the track specs; banks, surface, what was the track temp? Wind and direction, day, night?
        You guys sound like a bunch of school girls arguing about who has the best looking boy friend? If I was contemplating on spending 60-70k for a vehicle I'd want more than some yahoos opinion about what he THINKS he saw or heard!
        • 7 Years Ago
        For someone who doesn't know about the Nürburgring and yet trying to sounds like a pro on the matter, thats just embarrassing. Still you don't even try to do some research before commenting, it really shows how ignorant as a person you are.
      • 7 Years Ago
      I just did a google search for "nurgurgring lap times" and came up with this link, not sure how reputable it is but it shows the Nissan GT-R at 7m 15s

      http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=3&fID=0&tID=10073&bottom=0

      Ive been waiting for this car for ages. ive loved every iteration of the GT-R and even seeing the R32s here around town, as ugly as they are, they are so friggen sweet.
      • 7 Years Ago
      Don't get me wrong here, I love this car but aren't we all getting tired hearing about this Nissan GT-R mule testing? Nissan must have the gestation time of an elephant! By the time this car ever hits the streets, we are already going to be bored with it because we have seen it being tested forever. Come on Nissan, the Great Wall was built faster!
      • 7 Years Ago
      And yet.... I'd still take the 911 Turbo.
        • 7 Years Ago
        You aren't the only one :)

        Same here!
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