I guess if you get in accidents enough, you will end up dead. It may be irrelevant to anyone who avoids accidents though. Consider the fact that when YOU get in an accident, it effects other drivers as well.

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It's not a copy of a Daewoo, if anything it's the Daewoo who copied from Lancia.

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No offense, but that is the most ignorant statement I've ever heard. I agree the Spanish work ethic is not the greatest but most Mediterranean countries aren't much better off (Portugal, Italy, Greece, etc.). Spain is a part of the European Union, therefore, they have to adhere to the same safety standards as the rest of the EU. For example, the Nissan Navara (aka Frontier), Nissan Pathfinder, Ford Focus, Ford Ka, Seat(s), and Mazda 2 are manufactured in Spain and they adhere to the same quality/standards as the Nissans or Fords manufactured in the states or other foreign countries.

After the dismal crash test results in Germany, Brilliance decided to go back to the drawing board and reengineer the vehicle to pass ENCAP tests. I'm not trying to bash you ello but do your research first. If you think Spanish reliability isn't the greatest, may I suggest an extremely reliable British or Italian car? ;)

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Well, I suppose that´s like saying that americans are not known by their ability to elect a reasonabily intelligent person as their head of state, and their unability to keep their economy and currency value remotely competitive to that of the leading economies in the world (like the EU, to which spain belongs). Pure cliche, isn´t it?.
Cheers.

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M0L0TOV -

While calling his comment ignorant, your counter was almost as bad. Did Brilliance really redesign the car or just use the same one in a different test and manage to get a better rating? Do your research first.

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Well, I'm spanish, and I agree we are not the best when it comes to engineering and manufacturing, but this is Europe, and we have the same security standards as Germany or England. So if that piece of crap got a 3 star rating, it's because it deserved it, somehow. ;-)

And off topic: Why most of you americans think we are some kind of third world country in the southern border of Mexico? It's a European country, and we are the 9th wealthiest nation in the world! It's like saying that you are English or Australian because you speak the same language.

Please forgive my English ;-)

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Molotov, do you really think that the Chinese would be able to redesign their car in about 2-3 months (the German test was done approximately that long ago) to redo the testing? I think that most high-end companies would have trouble redesigning the structure of a car in 2-3 months and yet the Chinese miraculously were able to pull it off :::rolls eyes:::

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@Pelagius, if you haven't noticed, the falling dollar is nothing else than a speculation by US government, they are at war with Iraq now, they have large debt mainly with China, I don't think that a strong dollar would be very wise right now. From all the countries in the world, I would say that US banking system/federal reserve knows what they are doing with the dollar and as long as they have 50% of worlds gold reserve, over the long run they will be fine.

If anything, I would be worried about Eu because their population is aging big time, population growth is at minimal, and the socialistic taxes are rising, so pound for pound, dollar for dollar, I'll still be able to buy more with US dollar on US soil than you in France with Euro, or UK with pound. Exchange rates only matter to speculation and immigrants, to average American citizen it means nothing as $1 = $1 in USA. If anything, European manufactured goods prices are increasing, making it less and less competitive with US goods and thats a huge loss of EU as USA is the worlds largest economy.

And as far as Bush is concerned, we only have to bare with him for over a year. After that I don't think we will select a bigger idiot than him in next years election as I don't think thats possible.

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@ello
Actually you are very wrong in regards to the population of the European Union. Because the EU recently expanded to encompass most of central and eastern Europe the demographics changed dramatically. And then there's also the tax incentive programmes like that in France - giving a major boost to child births! In fact France has turned the tide with it's programme. Besides we have all of Russia and the former Soviets coming in - plenty of cheap, white young workers!
Our major currency, the Euro, is worth far more than the US dollar because Europe has a larger economy than the US! And just within the EU we have a market of over 450 million people (versus your 300 m).
The latest OECD report found that Europeans work less, but more effectively, earning more money than the average US citizen thus compensating for any purchasing power differences. We also enjoy a minimum of four (4) weeks legally required holiday time.
As for your claims of socialism: the majority of representatives in the European Parliament are Conservative. The socialists died with the Soviet Union. And the "socialist" tag is so wrong - it just goes to show you know nothing about European countries. The US has had "socialist" programmes since New Deal. Get over it.
As for taxes - most Americans tend to repeat that old myth that Europeans pay high taxes. Because we have 47 countries some will have high taxation, some very low. Living in one with high taxation, I actually know that US taxes are not that low in sum compared with ours. But then again we have free schools, healthcare and pensions etc.

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@Andrew, Euro is a speculative currency, it is not based upon any natural resouce such as gold or oil (like US dollar). Euro is not used in whole of European Union, countries such as Germany and Italy (they were thinking of holding a referendum to bring back the mark and lira) already regret switching it's currency to Euro as all it did was increase prices of goods while base salaries didn't budge a whole lot. US dollar is still the international currency of choice, it is more widely used than Euro.

Current Euro is higher than dollar simply because US wants the dollar to be low, not because the Euro has such a high value. When Euro was first introduced, at the very beginning it was higher valued than the dollar but then for few years dollar was much higher than the Euro, now the Euro is higher than dollar, it's economic speculation. Also, corelated to current status of dollar is the big US debt caused by Iraq and Afghanistan conflict. Remember that before US got involved in warfare with those two countries, dollar held a higher value than Euro.

And Russia will never join the EU simply because they have the EU by it's balls with it's huge assortment of natural resources which EU will depend on in near future. So Russia won't need EU as much as EU will need Russia, and the countries from the eastern block are not the solution for the aging population of EU because those countries also have almost zero population growth rate and if anything they are a burden on EU because EU needs to invest a whole lot more in to them then they are receiving back.

And not all EU countries want to use the Euro currency because as mentioned, most of the early adopters regret it. And last but not least, EU will never equal to USA simply because of the historic and cultural reasons, there will always be some kind of discrepancy between countries. Look at what is happening between Poland and Germany.

And USA still has higher GDP per capita than most European countries excluding maybe Ireland and Norway (which is not a part of EU). USA also has richer natural resources but because of it's politics it depends on other countries when in fact it has plenty of oil on it's own soil.

And I know so much about both continents because I am originally from Europe but currently live in USA and to tell you the truth US doesn'thave the culture, history, architecture of Europe which I miss but there is no better country in the world to make money than USA. Europe is nice for vacation but when it all comes down to business I would rather stick in US.

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Oh, God. I won't even bother to answer that ignorant statement. Enjoy your glory while your soldiers try to keep their guts inside their bodies.

And again, forgive my english.

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Typical American. It's comments like that which make them so well respected. I guy like this would never understand why he would be spit on if he ever dared to see the rest of the world. He will never understand that his statement reflects on ALL Americans.

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Holbach-

DO NOT use our soldiers as a comeback for a bad comment, ever! That is just as bad as the original comment and completly distasteful.

Bareny-

I am an American, proud to be one. I have been to many parts of the world and have never had trouble except in France and even many Europeans have trouble in France. If anything I found it to be quite the opposite of being spit on while spending 30 days in China. Most people were very interested in talking with me and hearing about where I came from. Just remember, just as Americans are veiwed as being crass or arrogant Europeans are seen much the same here.

So if ONE American makes a comment and you veiw ALL Americans in that light then you are the ignorant one.

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I shall never own a Chinese knockoff car. And you can quote me on that. I would rather drive a Lada than a Chinese car. And that's saying alot.

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Stoneman, your ilk will lessen in number ... money (wealth or lack of it) is a powerful force, and the less you have to pay, the easier the pain of assimilating.

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