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I doubt we'll see the "Honda syndrome"...380 hp and 99 lb-ft of torque.

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The 340 hp hemi is ohv which means its smaller than a DOHC v8 of similar displacement, so that comparison doesn't really have that much relevance. Also, the hemi also makes 390 lb-ft of torque, which is the low end power you'll really notice in the majority of driving. Maybe the Tau v8 will make this much torque too but I'll wait for actual numbers.

Not dissing the Tau v8, but just had to correct your argument a little.

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The hemi is not a good example of just how small a pushrod engine can be.
The hemi's camshaft is high mounted (to get the correct angle for the exhaust valves, and to utilize the reverse rocker arm for the intake valves)
Since the camshaft is mounted that much higher than a pushrod wedge engine, there isn't as much space in the vee for the intake manifold, so it goes up.
http://www.allpar.com/mopar/images/new-hemi/SRT0hemi.jpg
and in the truck uses of the hemi, the throttle is at the rear so there is a plastic assembly that routes the air, on top of the tall intake manifold.
http://www.allpar.com/mopar/images/new-hemi/hemi-cutaway.jpg
So if you measure from the crank axis, isn't the hemi in the cars ~18", and then you add another 3" on that for the trucks.

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you might be right that chrysler didn't execute the design perfectly (I prefer the ls v8's myself), I was just making the point that peak hp/L isn't the best comparison when looking at a XOHC engine vs. OHV. And that peak hp is used much less than low end hp. That's all I was getting at.

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Some better shots of the truck hemi.
http://www.wjjeeps.com/hemi3.jpg
http://www.wjjeeps.com/hemi4.jpg
Specific torque is a better measure than specific power.
but with modern 6 speed autos, you can access you maximum power pretty much anytime you want.

and red rover, red rover, let the diesels come over.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-ZiBJQg1lM&mode=related&search=

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380 out of 4.6 is absolutely possible. Turbocharger would make that pretty easy. VQ does better than that without a blower though... 306/3.5 > 380/4.6

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The 350z gets 300 from 3.5L, so I could believe this.

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Obviously its possible, I never doubted that, but
Hyundai != Lexus/BMW/Nissan.

The Tiburon's current V6 makes ~63 hp/l. That is a far far cry away from what'd make a 380hp 4.6L V8.

Hyundai's engines are not as powerful, nor as efficient/economical.

Compare the tiburon's 2.7L to the IS's 2.5L V6. The IS makes more power (204hp) with a much higher specific output (82hp/l vs 63hp/l) and even though it is installed in a HEAVIER car, gets better mileage (20/28 vs 19/26).

Like I said, I will believe it when I see it.

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The 2.7 V6 in the Tuburon is the previous generation Hyundai V6. The current Hyundai 3.3 V6 produces 234HP / 226 ft/lb Torque or 70.9HP per liter, which would equate 326HP from 4.6 liters. Make sure you use the latest designs from a company when comparing them to others. The other thing to keep in mind in these comparisons is the price points of the engines. How do you compare a $19G Sonata with an engine producing 70.9HP/68.5 ft lb per liter to a $32G IS350 producing 81.6/74? I would certainly hope that the Lexus 2.5 would have some sort of engineering advantage. All I'm saying is let's keep a little perspective here, shall we? It is very funny, though, to see Hyundai engines having their output compared to Lexus, BMW and Mercedes. I can't imagine too many people around here even fathoming these comparisons just a few years ago. That unto its own is proof of just how far Hyundai has come in the last 10 years.

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Ok, if you want to put it that way, toyota's last generation 3.3 v6 made about the same power and was much more efficient. I based my comparison on size, and the Lexus 2.5 was available at the same time.

Aren't Hyundai the ones trying to compare themselves to BMW and Lexus?

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The Hyundai Veracruz was reviewed against the Lexus RX350 in one of the big car mags [it was either Motor Trend or Road and Track] and the Hyundai won the comparison. It also got the nod for the better/quiter/more versatile/more refined engine. Stop talking out of your ass.

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http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/suvs/112_0707_hyundai_veracruz_lexus_rx350

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@hashiryu,
"I don't see them getting 380hp out of a 4.6 V8 unless they bought, stole or borrowed it from Toyota/Lexus or BMW."

Are you japanese? Why would accuse Hyundai stole or borrowed from Toyota? What makes you think the Hyundai is incapable of engineering of its own engine? What is so great about Toyota engines? Japanese cars have no soul; it’s only good for everyday commute. Stop talking out of your ASS.

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@ Hello & Za

Its amazing that someone talking out of their ass is telling another person to do the same.... says the donkey to the rabbit "....my you have long ears".

Za... I never compared anything but the engines. Hyundai engines suck period. The veracruz won based on value vs a RX model thats 4 yrs old, and due to be redesigned next year.

Hello... Are you Korean? I never accused them of stealing anything, how about a few R&C classes? Since you brought it up though, how about you review the law suit against Hyundai for the mountains of stolen documents they obtained and used? You think they made all those strides in qualities off their own hard work? And since you bring it up, NO, I don't think they are capable of engineering a powerplant of that nature.

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hashiryu,
shut your gay ass up
Hyundai is gonna put a 4.6 V8 in there new RWD products deal with it
Hyundai rapid growth is fast and they are racing for that number one spot just like Samsung is number one in electronics while LG is racing for the 2nd spot to be ahead on Sony

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