• Aug 13, 2007

Japan's top two auto makers have a long and sordid history of ripping off each other's successful designs. No sooner had the Nissan Cube become a run away success in its home market than Toyota came up with the similarly boxy bB (Scion xB). Many years earlier, after the Toyota HiLux Surf (4Runner) proved a hit with, well, surfers, Nissan restyled their Terrano with nigh on identical lines, hoping to ride on the coattails of the Toyota. And let's not get in to the Supra vs. Z and Celica vs. Skyline wars.

Now, just weeks after confirming that Toyota does indeed have a successor to the lauded AE86 in the pipeline, Best Car magazine claims to have evidence that Nissan has got a team working on building a new Silvia. Like the final 2002 S15 Spec R Silvia the new car is reckoned to be powered by a turbocharged two-liter good for 247 HP, but will just be 10 kgs heavier at one and a quarter metric tons (2450lbs).

The new range should sell for between 2.5 and 2.8 million Yen ($21,000 - $23,700), but not until 2010. Best Car's scoop ties in nicely with photographs of a shortened Z, most likely a mule testing a new, smaller FR drive train, taken at the ring earlier in the summer. If the new Silvia is indeed to be based on a modified Z/Skyline LM platform, expect a similar wheelbase of 8' 6", but smaller overall dimensions, around 14' 4" long by 5' 8" wide.

Chances of Nissan bringing a concept car, possibly derived from the URGE shown in Detroit last year, to October's Tokyo Motor Show? 60-percet according to the magazine.

[Source: Best Car]



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      • 7 Years Ago
      The SR20VET is too old also. Though relatively modern compared to the DET, I don't know if it'll meet the newest emissions regulations.

      I'm inclined to think that a VQ25 will be dropped in there...
      • 7 Years Ago
      The thing is tho, with 247hp it would easily beat the AE86 in outright stock power wouldn't it? Wouldn't that defeat the point of the article which in my opinion is insinuating that this new addition to the Sylvia series is there to compete with the AE86? If the car cost more and had more power it wouldn't necessarily be a competitor would it?

      Someone please enlighten me if i'm missing something, because i'm definitely interested to know.

      And just to reiterate to everyone, I think he meant Celica vs. 350Z and Supra vs. Skyline.
        • 7 Years Ago
        True, i'll concede to that point :P.
        • 7 Years Ago
        Well, the Silva is estimated to be priced in the $21-23k range, while the AE86 replacement will be priced much, MUCH cheaper, somewhere in the neighborhood of $13k.

        Stock I dont think these two will compete at all, they simply represent a resurgence in affordable, RWD coupes coming down the pipeline.
      • 7 Years Ago
      @ Ebm14

      Yeah, Autoblog has pictures of the Rally version of the Subaru WRX STi up I believe. It looks better, but while that spoiler enhances the overall appearance it looks somewhat out of place. I'm also referring to the spoiler caught on the Nuerburgring test mule.

      I believe the Ralliart will end up being sub-25k fully optioned, considering the Evolution will be around 29-30k base. Both new models will cost more because of the new technology and the fact that the Ralliart for the first time will be AWD and Turbo, not just a HP increase and normal FWD.

      I tried checking out the link, but the page doesn't open up. I'm in Florida - same time zone as NY btw.

      @ RG

      Well, I think Honda still have it where it counts. We'll just have to see...
        • 7 Years Ago
        Hey Ebm,

        Working in Japan? Well if it was me my choice of cars list would be topped out by a Nissan Skyline (R32 or R34) considering there appears to be an abundance of them.

        The Ralliart is projected to have 220-230hp along with a Turbo so that should make it a nice zippy compact. I recently moved here to Florida from England and if I were to get it, it would kill my insurance as I don't have a driving history here - but finger crossed i'll get it, as long as they release it soon as I need a car very soon!

        Good Luck whether you're going to Japan or not (should be fun if you do)! I'll keep checking on that site to see if I can spot the CRX. Take it easy man!
        • 7 Years Ago
        Hello Maestro,

        I think the Mitsu Ralliant makes sense due to performance and price. This has been added to my list of future purchase but there might be a possibility that I might be working in Japan, so the choice of cars will be beyond my imagination. The only thing is that I won't be able to drive them without a Japanese license, so I might be restricted to driving in a parking lot or deep in the countryside.

        PS- I had no luck finding the next generation CR-X
        but keep your eyes on the website I passed onto you yesterday.
      • 7 Years Ago
      I think the various Silvia generations all looked good mostly because they were long and low. All modern cars have tall beltlines and look short and squat as a result... so it won't be the same.
      • 7 Years Ago
      "one and a quarter metric tons" is 1250 kilos. That's 2750 lbs, not 2450 lbs. Is that what the original article says?
      • 7 Years Ago
      The car looks great - I was looking for a Renault badge on it, though, so Renault-alike it is. It's good for Nissan, actually, to outsource the design work to Europeans as Nissan itself shows utter ineptitude in design (as the most Japanese automakers do). The latest Renault-modified cars from Nissan look great, for the first time in the company's history.
        • 7 Years Ago
        What?
        Renault sucks.
        Renault did only cut cost.
      • 7 Years Ago
      Celica vs Skyline? What war was that? And When? You're kidding right? These cars have never been at "war"... So different.
      • 7 Years Ago
      Nissan definitely needs to bring a Silvia back! There's not a single all-around performance worthy RWD coupe that you can buy currently in a 'low' price range.

      You can buy a 350Z for mid-upper 20's but it's way too heavy (and still too expensive). Don't even need to say anything about the Mustang.

      ~250hp, ~2500lbs, RWD turbo and for less than 25k? Where do I buy one?!
      • 7 Years Ago
      the Urge was aweful. it gave me the urge to lose my lunch. the less the final product has to do with that, the better.
      • 7 Years Ago
      Seems great Some how I doubt it will weigh only 2450 with safety equipment and the RWD parts considering they probably wont be using light weight parts like the Elise. But if its true look out cones here comes a good autocross car. Don't for get the LSD!
      • 7 Years Ago
      I always loved the silvia even more than the skyline, especialy the s15 spec r. But the s13 was also very nice.
      • 7 Years Ago
      Boys,

      What Honda is doing might cause problems with Nissan, Toyota and Subaru (I want the Subie b/c of AWD) as far as future sales. They will soon introduce the next generation CRX in the near future with hybrid technology and the power needed to turn heads. What do you think now?
        • 7 Years Ago
        You want the Subie because of AWD...but the Subie is pretty ugly, only the front remotely looks alright but its still kind chunky in my opinion. Why not buy a Lancer Ralliart for the same price as an STI and it even had 4WD and Turbo...

        I don't think the CRX is gonna cut too much into those sales, the AE86 and Sylvia series have their own fanbases and the CRX also has its own, and in the end its just for preference. Also, isn't the CRX an FF (someone please let me know, or ill look it up myself :P)? If so it wouldn't really fit into the cheap FR category would it?
        • 7 Years Ago
        I know it might be difficult, but most Japanese car magazines are already showing the exterior of the CRV.
        Maybe go to Japan Yahoo and trick playing around with the links and see if you can find the car one. I'm very sure you just might like it
        • 7 Years Ago
        When I first saw pictures of the Subie, I said to myself, WTF? When I took at close look at it in person, I said to myself it is not so ugly at all.
        I have driven AWD cars before felt so much better in the snow compared to the days when I owned a 240 SX SE.
        It was a great looking car and had a great little engine but is stunk in the snow and the same is true with my VW Golf(98). I don't want a family SUV or some boring Altima, I would wish that Subaru had the 2 door again
        with much better looks then the old one.
        • 7 Years Ago
        @ nagg

        Well, I am still curious about the CR-X. However, Honda will me making CR_V's in mexico, so from this alone
        I credit you.
        • 7 Years Ago
        Yeah I agree, I was also saying that the first generation looked the best and if they made a 2-door and 4-door version of a new model based on the first generation Impreza and made it a light 4Wd just like that car they would regain their respect (which I believe was lost with this new generation). Granted the new Impreza may not look that bad, but if I had to choose between the WRX and Ralliart, i'd choose the Ralliart.

        I tried looking for that CRX you were saying, but didn't find anything on google (yet). I did however stumble upon this, its someone's personal concept...now if they made this into a new Prelude and made it RWD...then Honda would SO be a great competitor in this market.

        http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/7486/6thgenposter8zh.jpg&imgrefurl=http://forums.streetfire.net/showthread.php%3Ft%3D8245&h=768&w=1024&sz=450&hl=en&start=18&sig2=810N5QXvj9wYBxR47n-4gQ&tbnid=xST9WhbdnBOxsM:&tbnh=113&tbnw=150&ei=kS3BRq6MKIqMeYCgmLUJ&prev=/images%3Fq%3DHonda%2BCRX%2BConcept%26gbv%3D2%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff

        I might buy a Ralliart sometime after it comes out as i'm planning to get a new car and will probably go to university in Boston, so 4WD would definitely come in handy in the snow.
        • 7 Years Ago
        Boston is a great town and wish I went there instead of freaking Binghamton. That was many years ago, oh well.
        Anyway, the Ralliant is also in my book but not sure when they are releasing that. Have any idea?
        I saw with my own eyes the new CRX and it looked really cool. If I find something, I will let you know, but try visiting www.hollywoodextra.blogspot.com/ since there are always great updates....

        • 7 Years Ago
        im calling it now

        the next gen crx will be a total piece of shit. the guys running honda now have no clue what crx means to the hard core honda fans. honda has lost its idenity and is about to be driven off a cliff by the morons running that outfit

        *just my prediction*
        • 7 Years Ago
        Yeah, Autoblog has pictures of the Rally version of the Subaru WRX STi up I believe. It looks better, but while that spoiler enhances the overall appearance it looks somewhat out of place. I'm also referring to the spoiler caught on the Nuerburgring test mule.

        I believe the Ralliart will end up being sub-25k fully optioned, considering the Evolution will be around 29-30k base. Both new models will cost more because of the new technology and the fact that the Ralliart for the first time will be AWD and Turbo, not just a HP increase and normal FWD.

        I tried checking out the link, but the page doesn't open up. I'm in Florida - same time zone as NY btw.

        @ RG

        Well, I think Honda still have it where it counts. We'll just have to see...
        • 7 Years Ago
        Definitely love Boston, used to live there about 11 years ago now. I have this sneaky feeling that the Ralliart is going to be released as a combo along with the new Cx concept and the Lancer Sportback (5 door for Europe) at the Frankfurt Motor Show.

        I've been trolling the forums ever since the spy pics were released and i've found limited information, but from original reports the Lancer base was coming out, then the Ralliart, then the Evo. So if the Evo is being introduced in Tokyo for a spring release then the Ralliart has to come to Frankfurt for a late christmas/early new years release...but that's just my analysis though, I could be wrong. In any case Frankfurt's Motor show isn't too far away.

        If it comes out and I can afford the sub-25k price tag I might get it, otherwise a used '03 E46 3 Series will suffice till I buy something new :P.

        I'll check out the pics and reply if I find it tomorrow. I'll also look up Binghamton lol!
          • 7 Years Ago
          Yea, let me know if you get anymore info.
          I would like to see how much the Ralliant sells for and if it is as good as the Subaru.
          I wish I could scan the new CRX photo if I go to NYC
          to get that magazine. Actually, the mag also had the upcoming Subie WRX STI and the front came close to perfect and it did not look like that ungly yellow protype floating around the internet.
          Anyway, it is late here in NY.

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