Look at it this way: $30,000 for 139 lb-ft of torque?

Uhhhhh.

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That's exactly what I was going to say. The Si Sedan might be on my list of potential purchases if it weren't so darn ugly. Who thought pinched headlights were cool when Saturn first came out early nineties?

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Point well made, John.

Also, those wheels alone cost over $3000 if purchased in the aftermarket, and people are willing to pay a premium for Mugen parts as it is, so this edition will sell out pretty easily.

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Ditto that..point well made. Looks like the anti Honda crowd lurks as a group and only comes out in hiding to to attack when ever they see the word Honda appear.

These boobs never think Honda can sell anything yet Honda sells.

I bet they will probably put a paper bag on their head and sneak over to the Honda dealership to take a peak because they deep down admire what Honda is able to do that other car companies can't.

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Unditto this. Point poorly made. Looks like the Hondaphiliac crowd lurks as a group and comes out to pre-emptively strike at anyone who would use logical aruments or deign to reveal they don't like the styling of a particular Honda.

Those boobs already realize that with such a ferocious fanbase, 1000 units will easily find homes.

I bet they will probably put a paper bag on their head and sneak over to the non-Honda dealership to take a peak because they deep down admire what other car companies can do that Hondas cannot.

Honda Haters don't hate Hondas. They hate their drivers.

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@epilonious

Please enlighten me, epilonious, what is a "aruments" or a "deign"?

Do I a favor, count to three, breathe and let the vein in your forehead recede or else you might get a hater-heart attack.

Anyhow, you did strike on a valid point. This one is for the fanbase. Which was my point. It's a limited affair. Honda isn't trying break any sales records. Not unlike Bullit Mustangs, or countless other Mustang variants, are for its own fanbase, this is for the fans who enjoy autocrossing their Hondas. Get a grip.

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John, you've gotta open a dictionary once in a while:

Deign--To condescend to give or grant; vouchsafe. “Nor would we deign him burial of his men” (Shakespeare).

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"Please enlighten me, epilonious, what is a "aruments" or a "deign"?"
One is a mis-spelling, and as Don already pointed out, the other is a word of which you were apparently ignorant. Now we can stop playing fun "My grammer are better than you're's" games!

"Do I a favor, count to three, breathe and let the vein in your forehead recede or else you might get a hater-heart attack."

Do me a favor, don't introduce topics with "I'm gonna have to say it before people who hate Honda's show up..." It makes you look like an asshat AND a troll. Namely because it sets you up to make anyone who disagrees some sort of ignorant Honda basher.

"Anyhow, you did strike on a valid point. This one is for the fanbase."

And yet... other people (who point out they appreciate Hondas) have touched on MY point that $5000-10,000 more for what amounts to $2000 worth of mods is most excessive. It appears to be Honda bilking their fans for run-of-the-mill mods. Nicer wheels, a cat-back, and some body kitting should not need warranty coverage that badly... Especially with Hondas reputation for quality and reliability.

Speaking of "getting a grip"

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Ummm...epilonious, if you notice, there are 6...six comments previous to mine that have derided the Mugen Civic. So the, "I'm gonna have to say it before people who hate Honda's show up..." bit doesn't work.

If anyone looks like the "trolling asshat", it is you. You are the one that has felt it that it's needed to bash a comment that has merely stated two facts: one - the car is for a niche, hence, two - there are only so many.

Oh, congrats on knowing who to use a dictionary.

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"Ummm...epilonious, if you notice, there are 6...six comments previous to mine that have derided the Mugen Civic. So the, "I'm gonna have to say it before people who hate Honda's show up..." bit doesn't work."

I'm gonna have to use your words "Before the hate parade is in full swing". There it is. First line of your comment. Setting it up as "us versus them" in a fallacious structure of the beleaguered protecting a car that doesn't even exist yet. The problem with such posturing (lets call it what it is) is that anyone who agrees with you runs the risk like a sycophantic Hondaphile who would never consider other cars, and anyone who disagrees will be framed as someone with irrational dislikes. Future tip... try adding your points without such posturing in the future, and they will be better received without the polarization.

"If anyone looks like the "trolling asshat", it is you. You are the one that has felt it that it's needed to bash a comment that has merely stated two facts: one - the car is for a niche, hence, two - there are only so many."

Looking like an asshat who trolls is the risk anybody runs when they make points that counter yours, sweetie dearest. Why don't you address _my_ points about such niche cars being a quick stab for cash considering the large discrepancy between the value of the modifications and the price of the car rather than call me names if you're so interested in proving who's more out of line? The whole "under 30,000" line didn't just get me into that "why is Honda buggin'" space. Otherwise... I wasn't bashing your comment so much as one of your 'supporterz' who was parroting your point and then just adding a whole bunch of random insults.

So, here are some questions for you...

Do you feel that the mods made to the Civic Si Sedan (suspension, wheels, cat-back exhaust, body kit) are really worth what appears to be a $5,000 - $10,000 premium over the non-mugen Si? Especially considering that most people have pointed out they really only have a market value of $2000 and aren't really that exclusive? Don't you think that's a bit excessive and Honda is exploiting their fanbase for quick cash? I mean, other companies have done special editions (as you pointed out with the mustang), but the premiums are more in line with the cost of the mods. You don't see scion "release 1.0's" costing 6K more than the regular xA...

Eagerly awaiting your replies.

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This is becoming boring and I should be working but once more onto the breach, no?

First, you are the only one who has been name calling thus far which, IMO, makes you already out of line. Second, "Unditto this. Point poorly made" followed by the rest of your blurb sounds as if your tirade was directed towards me not one of my "supporterz." If your intention was not to attack me but the posters above you, then an @ followed by the name of the person(s) you want to attack might make things a bit clearer.

Now for the questions.

"Do you feel that the mods made to the Civic Si Sedan (suspension, wheels, cat-back exhaust, body kit) are really worth what appears to be a $5,000 - $10,000 premium over the non-mugen Si?"

While "under $30,000" might as well read $29k in some cases without final pricing, I believe it is debatable. Especially, when one considers what dealer installation and factory backed warranty coverage might be for those Mugen parts.

"Especially considering that most people have pointed out they really only have a market value of $2000 and aren't really that exclusive? Don't you think that's a bit excessive and Honda is exploiting their fanbase for quick cash?"

A quick aside. I'm curious to know where you get the $2000 figure, is that what you believe is the sum total for all the performance parts mentioned?

Anyway. Excessive? I think it might be if final MSRP is something above $27k. But again without knowing that number and a test drive or a road test by an objective journalist, justifying the cost is once again debatable.

Honda explointing its fanbase? Oh, no auto maker does that. How much again for that Super Snake with the live rear axle, Ford? $72k?

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"First, you are the only one who has been name calling"
"for those nitpicking price and styling"
Right... so when I do it it's name calling, but when you do it it's "removed criticism?"

"Unditto this. Point poorly made" followed "Ditto that..point well made. "
Sorry, I fail to fathom how that was an attack on you and not "honda lover" right above my post.

"If your intention was not to attack me but the posters above you, then an @ followed by the name of the person(s) you want to attack might make things a bit clearer."
Of, you can read more clearly before you follow posters home.

Your answers to my questions were nothing but equivocation and speculation, sprinkled with ignorant comments about the mostly power-enhanced versions of a mustang which has nothing in common with a civic aside from the fact that it has wheels.

Your arguments are in no-way convincing and are mostly flawed, which means the entire purpose of your original post still seems to be about how tragic it is that some people just don't like a car you adore.

I doubt you can recognize that this car could possibly not sell out due to the extravagance of modifications that really will have dubious effects on handling, or that the civic might not be the best car for all people, especially now that you have been backed into a corner. You're probably just going to keep replying by calling me names and trying to insist that since I dared to say "gosh, this really is dumb" that I'm someone who just hates all things Honda makes.

As I said before. People who are cast as "Honda Haters" rarely have a problems with the cars, it's the Zealots that drive them... carrying-on as if admitting that they are not perfect would affect their resale value, that are the veritable sandpaper underpants for automotive enthusiasts who don't agree with them.

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Wow. Your entire rant pure is purely opinion and tells me absolutley ZERO.

You haven't answered my question. Where are you getting this $2000 figure you mentioned?

"Point poorly made." Hm, despite the reversal you've made on the poster's comment it can still be construed as being addressed to me. So I've read it clearly enough.
And again you have initiated the name calling, not me. Hence the ass hat in quotations. So don't attempt to bring me to that level.

Then you've totally missed the point of my mention of the Mustang, $72,000 for a Mustang. Who else is going to buy it except those that a fanatical for that car when obviously a Z06 is a better value? The same is true for the Mugen Si when an Evo or an STi would be a better value. They are both for fans and Honda will sell every unit.

Now, what else can there be but speculation when there is, as of yet, no hard data on this car? As for equivocation and flaws in the arguement. I thought it was pretty clear. The car is expensive, yes. Excessively so? Perhaps. Hence the reason I've stated it was for a niche. Which was my point from the begining.

Did I mention anywhere that this car "is the best for all people" or that it is worth the cost? No. You seem to be looking for an arguement where it's you versus the typical Honda "zealot" when I made no indication that I was one.

If you want to debate the pros and cons of the Mugen Si contact Honda PR.

As for the rest of you essay on the tragedy that is the Honda fan. It's boring and without value. Written only for the purposes of hearing yourself talk and getting the last word. Knowing that I'm done with this and I am done with you. If you respond to this then it will be only for the benefit of your ego.

By the way, auto I adore is the Z-tune GT-R, not the Civic.

Good-Bye.

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