Mercedes doesn't want to play nice with BMW
A three-pointed "Nein" is what Mercedes has responded to BMW's offers of courtship. The folks from the roundel had suggested that the two companies combine some of their efforts in order to build the best cars. BMW hadn't specified what kind of tie-in that would mean, but they were serious enough about it to go public with it. Mercedes and BMW currently work together on hybrid engines, but that, frankly, is as far as Mercedes wants to go. It's entirely possible that, having just gotten out of one relationship, Mercedes isn't anxious to do it again so soon, no matter how good looking the potential match is.
[Source: Motor Authority]
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SSBR 11:25AM (6/26/2007)
This is a blessing in disguise for BMW. Mercedes can't even come close to building a well refined engine like BMW can. Recently at the NY Auto show, a representative for Mercedes said, "BMW engines are better the Mercedes. They put their hearts and souls into it. Thats why we slap superchargers on them to make us better!"
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Stuart 2:03PM (6/26/2007)
Do you even have a clue what your on about?
BMW makes engine which are more sports biased
Mercedes makes engine which are more comfortable
They are designed totally differently to perform as they are meant to. Saying that one is better then the other is matter of opinion. The only sports engine Mercedes has ever designed is the engine in the CLK-GTR and the new 6.2ltr AMG engines. Everything else is based off the standard Mercedes engine.
By the way the engine is only part of the car, you forgot to mention the chassis, body structure, brakes, gearbox, suspension etc... Just because you have a good car doesn't mean to say the car is better then its competitors.
Barney 1:08AM (6/27/2007)
"a representative for Mercedes said, "BMW engines are better the Mercedes. They put their hearts and souls into it. Thats why we slap superchargers on them to make us better!"
Can you give us a name for the direct quote?
CINDY7788 7:17PM (6/28/2007)
AUDI RULES!!!!
testa di cazzo 11:33AM (6/26/2007)
"Recently at the NY Auto show, a representative for Mercedes said, "BMW engines are better the Mercedes. They put their hearts and souls into it. Thats why we slap superchargers on them to make us better!"'
yea, i'm sure the "representative" from Mercedes at the NY auto show is an expert on engine quality. that's just like the "representative" from Audi who told me last year at the Paris R8 unveiling that it would cost north of $140,000 in the US for the base-model.
representatives don't know jack
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robz4 12:47AM (6/27/2007)
Testa you are really biased against BMW ..aren't you? What happened buddy? Did BMW did anything bad to you? Did they molested you? You can tell us..
testa di cazzo 2:05PM (6/27/2007)
who said anything about BMW? I sure as hell didnt... i responded to the mercedes representative speaking out of his ass by countering that an Audi representative also spoke out of his ass, basically saying that all these representatives don't know shit... where in this did you get that i don't like BMW?
.03 12:17PM (6/26/2007)
And...it's not like Mercedes has a good track record with "partnerships" with other companies (Chrysler)
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Ligor 12:42PM (6/26/2007)
yeap,
that S-class sure beats out that weird 7-series.
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iQuack 1:05PM (6/26/2007)
They're better as competitors IMO.
A merger makes sense only if 2+2=5, and combining companies like BMW and Mercedes would do little more than bring over-sized egos into conflict.
Let 'em stay independent and at each other's throats--those who can afford them will benefit from superior luxury cars.
Bigger isn't necessarily better.
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Stuart 2:08PM (6/26/2007)
How you could compare chrysler with BMW in any way is beyond me. Chrysler has never been stable and I understand why Mercedes didn't part share. Personally I would never EVER EVER consider buying a Mercedes if I knew it was sharing parts with companies like Chrysler. Thankfully they didn't but BMW are a much better company and A HELL OF ALOT more stable so I would still buy Mercedes.
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Stuart 2:09PM (6/26/2007)
How you could compare chrysler with BMW in any way is beyond me. Chrysler has never been stable and I understand why Mercedes didn't part share. Personally I would never EVER EVER consider buying a Mercedes if I knew it was sharing parts with companies like Chrysler. Thankfully they didn't but BMW are a much better company and A HELL OF ALOT more stable so I would still buy Mercedes.
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Ray 2:21PM (6/26/2007)
I'm all for BMW, but Chris Bangle is a jackass. Every single vehicle in Mercedes' current lineup (minus the unseen CLK coupe) is better looking than it's BMW counterpart.
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ObsessedAudiFan 3:30PM (6/26/2007)
Agreed on the BMW and Merc comparison.
That said, it's a great day for Audi, VW, Porsche and Lambo. They make better, more attractive cars and with a cost advantage.
Stuart 2:19PM (6/26/2007)
Actually they could share parts which people don't see like door mechanism, electronic etc. Not to mension the benefits of bulk buying materials such as steel, aluminium, carbon fibre. On top of that their cars could actually share the basic chassis achitecture of cheaper model like the 3 series and c-class. Plus they could share facilites such as wind tunnels, safety centres to run at full capacity and even produce cars at the same factories to again run at full capacity.
These cuts could benefit both brands as the way audi benefits from Volkswagen and Porsche's collabration. This way they could save billions even and put that money straight back into car development meaning BETTER CARS FOR YOU THE CONSUMER. The only people to not benefit would be audi and others about the distants that would be created between them and Merc/BMW
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jeff in toronto 3:20PM (6/26/2007)
Stuart: what is a more comfortable engine? lol.
Collaboration when they are currently battling never works out. Unless it is specific very capital intensive programs like fuel cell technolgy or hybrids o some sort, I think they are better to approach their engineering from their own companies and let consumers decide who did a better job with their wallets.
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Andreanrc 6:28PM (6/26/2007)
Aesthetics is a question of taste. It is enough to look at the cars which are now ten years old, to see how far the BMW design is superior. Mercedes cars look like designed in Soviet Union. Sure, some of the nouveau riche in Russia might like these cars. But only the old communist guys. Russians are more sophisticated than the Soviet designers Mercedes invited to help them with their cars. My favorite are small plates on a Mercedes side: "Luksus" "Classic" or "Kompressor". Classic you should just see, not read. Kompressor? I wait for the red star above. BMWism means intelligence and excitement. Merc is an old babushka doll - shiny and with surprizes nobody wants to see anymore.
AMGoff 7:07PM (6/26/2007)
I usually hate to flame people on here but Stuart, you are an ignorant boob as well as an unabashed Mopar-phobe.
"Chrysler has never been stable..."
Can you back up this statement or are you merely talking out of your rear-end, since obviously American carmakers can never do anything right....
The last time I checked, Chrysler had more than enough cash to be happy had they remained independent, somewhere along the lines of $8-12 Billion dollars. Before the "merger" they were turning out some of the most stylish and reliable cars on the market. They were riding a wave of successes - the LH cars, the Ram, the Cirrus, the Sebring, and piss on it as you might, the Neon. The Neon alone cause all other car manufacturers to go back to the drawing board in order to catch up to Chrysler in the compact market.
Chrysler products were consistently more reliable than Mercedes and the company was consistently more profitable. The "merger" was to be one of equals, a scam we were all led to believe. Unfortunately it turned out to be an out right takeover and Diamler once again showed their incompetence. They sucked Chrysler Financial dry to bolster their profits, made Chrysler use old Mercedes parts while charging them ridiculous amounts of money for them, killed the Plymouth brand leaving the Chrysler Group with an incomplete brand lineup, and worst of all had the nerve to blame their piss poor management skills on Chrysler.
It was a spin of the worst kind and you were obviously naive enough to buy into it.
And in the end when the sale of Chrysler is final, Diamler will find itself in the greatest danger of takeover the company has ever seen due to it's poor market standing.
So I applaud Diamler's continued stupidity. They have a chance at world-class engines but their arrogance will keep them from using such.
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Barney 1:15AM (6/27/2007)
AMGoff, what are you going on about? Is there things you choose not to hear or just don't see realism? How can any sane person who pretends to know the automotive world, go on a pretense that Chrysler is and always was a stable company. Cash flowing like a river and producing the worlds best cars. Where are you from?
AMGoff 9:07AM (6/27/2007)
Moparphobia
n.
Fear of or contempt for mopars and mopar drivers.
Behavior based on such a feeling.
[MOPAR + –PHOBIA.]
moparphobe mo'par·phobe' n.
moparphobic mo'par·pho'bic adj.
See also - Fauxpars
My point Barney, is that unless you have some sort of disorder and are incapable of remembering back to 1998 then you too are... a moparphobe. From the beginning the deal was to be a "merger of equals," or can't you remember that. Chrysler was to gain a luxury brand and Mercedes was to gain MANUFACTURING QUALITY and a global market presence. There were to be the world's biggest car maker within 5 years of the "merger."
Let me say this as slowly as possible as to keep anyone from misunderstanding. At the time of the "merger"...
CHRYSLER.. WAS... FINANCIALLY... STABLE.
Do you really think that all of those stockholders back in the fatherland would have approved the deal had Chrysler not been financially solvent? Do you think Diamler was playing savior to sinking ship? Even a college freshman in ECO-101 would find that notion absolutely absurd.
But it must just be some grand coincidence that before the "merger," Chrysler was making money and then years after German stewardship they were an inoperable failure. Because, you know, a fine German company like Diamler would never rearrange the books to make Mercedes look good. Blasphemy.
The fact is that numbers do not lie. And all I ever hear from moparphobes on here is nothing more than blanket insults to Chrysler. I'd also be willing to bet that most moparphobes on here are domesticphobes in general because the plain and simple truth is Detroit is bad, Germany and Japan are good. If my grandfather were alive today he would bitchslap that pretension right of your lederhosen-lovin face.
I love the internet and the security it provides for people to outright lie. You want to debate me, you better have some facts.