Nissan hasn't learned from Ford: Navistar-powered diesel Titan in 2009
All indications are that Ford will be dumping the Navistar diesels it's used in its Super Duty pickups almost forever in favor of an in-house-developed diesel sometime around the end of the decade. Apparently undaunted by the quality issues that Ford has repeatedly experienced with the Navistar engines, Nissan appears ready to step into the breach and pick up the supply for the Titan pickup.
Since it appears that Nissan won't be developing a heavy duty version of the Titan, it's not clear at this point if it will use the current 6.4L V-8 that Ford uses or the smaller engine that Navistar had developed for the light-duty Fords. Most likely it will be the latter engine, and it may be available for 2009. Nissan, as expected, won't comment on future products -- except when they do (they previously announced a diesel Maxima for 2010).
[Source: Pickuptruck.com]
UPDATE: Mike Levine at Pickuptruck.com spoke with Nissan spokesperson John Schilling who told him, "We haven't announced anything about a diesel engine for the Titan. This news is speculation at this point, but we are continuing to study this technology for potential future use. The only vehicle we've said that will have a diesel engine is the Maxima in 2010."
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
66coronet 11:44PM (3/25/2008)
Looking through the web new stories. Nissan is working closer with Chrysler LLC. So if they join together to make a truck together or if chrysler allows the Titan to be made along side the Rams. Maybe then an agreement with Nissan will be made to use the cummins V-6 & V-8?
http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/news/nissan/titan/chryslertitan.html
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Squid 11:41AM (6/15/2007)
Guess I'll be waiting another year to replace my 04 Titan work truck with a 101,000 miles on her. Great truck and If you would to learn more feel free to visit http://www.titantruckz.com/ and I'll be happy to chat with you.
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ROMEO 12:06PM (6/15/2007)
If nissan needs a diesel they should look to ISUZU GM did the duramax is made by ISUZU a far better dont temp faith
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Hamud 12:49PM (6/15/2007)
Now you only need some commas here and there and you'r good to go, eheheheheh. I kid, I kid. :)
Well, I hope they have better luck than Ford...
ROMEO 12:04PM (6/15/2007)
IF nissan buys its engin from the same people that supplies ford as a long time nissan owner they will have lost me and all the people who value my opinion adn my export buyers put that boat ankor in and i say adious
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koncha 12:23PM (6/15/2007)
I realize this is just the internet but, geez, at least make an attempt at proper grammar.
"If Nissan buys its engines from the same people that supply Ford, as a long-time Nissan owner, they will have lost me and all the people who value my opinion and my export buyers put that boat anchors in. I say 'adios'."
bmoredlj 12:54PM (6/15/2007)
I tend to cut most commenters some slack with poor syntax or spelling, since most people are typing their comments rapidly and adding them without proofreading. I'll admit, though, it's much tougher to read a comment when it lacks punctuation and contains numerous typos, which often all conspire to obscure the tone and/or meaning of the comment.
What really sticks in my craw is people using profanity, or adding an extra "o" to the word "losing" to make "loosing".
Oh yeah...a diesel Titan? If the speculation turns out to be true, it's a good idea. Perhaps Navistar just hated Ford and were trying to sabotage their full-size truck dominance...just more speculation!
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frank 1:00PM (6/15/2007)
Navistar should rot in hell and go bankrupt. FORD saved them in '79. FORD will no longer save them.... I really hope they go bankrupt. Can you say FORD DIESEL
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Barney 9:13PM (6/16/2007)
"FORD saved them in '79. "
Your not really an idiot, right Frank/ You just seem that way. International/Navistar was saved by Ford in 1979? care to enlighten?
frank 11:24AM (6/18/2007)
International-Harvester was going bankrupt around 1979. That's when FORD stepped in and partnered up to build diesel for the F-Series. I thought you knew,
bernie 1:26PM (6/15/2007)
There's no way Nissan will just take an International Powerstroke right out of the box like Ford did. Nissan engineers will work with Navistar engineers to create a thoroughly spec'ed and tested powertrain.
Say what you will about Nissan's quality ratings: Their powertrains over the past 30 years have been bulletproof.
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Barney 10:26PM (6/17/2007)
" will just take an International Powerstroke right out of the box like Ford did"
Are you suggesting Navistar had this "V8 diesel" already and Ford bought it. Perhaps you better look into this "commercial" truck manufacturer with more depth. Navistar dosen't have V8 diesels laying around for sale.
Guenther 1:29PM (6/15/2007)
This would leave Nissan with the only V6 in the segment. Ford will be using the 4.4L Lion V8, GM will have their new 5 liter-ish engine, Dodge will get a Cummins V8 (bizarre, I know), and Toyota is finishing up development of the 4.5V8(released in its low-output single turbo already). The Ford, Dodge and Toyota units should be very solid, while I don't know anything about the GM engine yet, other that Isuzu has nothing to do with it.
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aSHIRTandTIEguy 1:49PM (6/15/2007)
This just goes to prove that American automobiles are/do/and have been focusing on reliability. It has just not the most important aspect since Japanese cars are soulless appliances and American cars are a mix of enjoyment, versatility, configurations, power, and luxury.
This proves once and for all, American vehicles are more reliable and better because what is not good enough for the top of the line world best Ford trucks is perfectly fine for middle of the road Japanese manufacture trucks.
Now FORD try and make your Mustang “push the boundaries” and be as incredible and wonderful as a Nissan Skyline, put diesels in the Focus, Fusion, and Ranger (No need to kill the Ranger it SUCKS perfectly fine as it is and people still buy it!) and you might just be the #1 company ahead of Toyota.
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Mattias 2:26PM (6/15/2007)
Renault has great Diesels. Take two I4 2.0l engines (130hp to 173hp) and combine them to a 90° V8. 260 to 346hp would be quite enough, the development would be easy and cheap and everyone is happy.
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Mattias 2:43PM (6/15/2007)
#7, #9: No, I cannot spell "FORD DIESEL". In the 1970s the took Peugeot's XD88 to propel the early Granada and Taunus, in the 1980s they took Peugeot's XD2 to propel the Sierra and Granada. In the 1990s they took Peugeot's XD3 to motorize the Scorpio. In the later 1990s they took the VM 425 to give the Scorpio adequate power.
Now many of they cars use the Peugeot developed I4s (1.4l, 1.6l, 2.0l, 2.2l). Only the V6 and later the V8 derivatives of the Peugeot engines were developed by Ford and are produced at their Dagenham plant.
There are still some diesel engines of Ford origin around (1.8l, 2.2l), but they are prone to head gasket and steering chain trouble and won't be there for a long time.
Ford joined an alliance with PSA, which is not a bad thing, but the resulting engines are not "FORD DIESEL".
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Guenther 4:01PM (6/15/2007)
Mattias- What does a grab-bag full of European market 4cylinders have to do with what I said????
"Only the V6 and later the V8 derivatives of the Peugeot engines were developed by Ford and are produced at their Dagenham plant."
The only Ford engine I made mention of was the very motor you refer to as being developed by Ford. Never mind the fact I made no mention as to who may or may not have developed it.
If I sound defensive it's only because some Besserwisser implied that I don't know what I'm talking about.
Don 4:30PM (6/15/2007)
Sounds like Navistar is trying its damndest to make sure it stays viable after possibly losing the Ford contract.
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Barney 9:36PM (6/16/2007)
You do realize Dan that Navistar puts out more medium duty trucks then any other maker.
Don 12:25PM (6/18/2007)
It's "Don", and no...I didn't realize that. But then again Ford is a big contract.