In the post below this, about Toyota's Hybrid Synergy drive Detroit fan boys sais that Hybrids are not cost efficient and that they are bad for environment. OK that is possible, i agree with that.

They also say that it would make much more sence to make regular engines more efficient. Ok Makes sence.


But here's my beef, if you Detroit groupies think you are so smart and love environment so much how come GM and Ford do not make regular gas engines that are extra fuel efficient? How come all they make is Camaros and Yucons and Expeditions?


So before attacking Prius and suck cars look and GM's and Fords line up of vehicles firs.

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Ughhh.. by the time the Beat comes out; it will be up against the 3rd gen Yaris/echo, 2nd gen Fit, Mazda 2, Updated Nissan Versa, etc, etc.. it will most likely be a piece of shit as well... GM loses again.

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Wow. Thanks for those pics of the Camaro. I'm starting to finally think it looks hot.

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Hey Petey
Who says a 1st generation car from one company can't be as good as a 3rd generation car from another? Your logic is flawed. Sometimes the newcomer into a given segment (not just with cars) actually has the upper hand, because they've had an opportunity to see where the competition actually may have lagged behind. Entire books have been written on the subject. So I say this: bashing GM for the sake of bashing, especially when it comes to new models is not only terribly close minded, but could be construed as somewhat flawed logic. So put that in your anti-Detroit pipe and smoke it! bwah hahahahahahaha!

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No matter what GM does some anti-domestic guys will never be satisfied.

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Hey
I'm just being a douschbag right now, but I'm right.

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Did anyone look at the shift knob in the beat? It is different then the concept. dose this mean there is a production mule? Ponderous.

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You guys forgot the 29 new shots of the Chinese Park Avenue.

http://www.thegmsource.com/index.php?categoryid=8&p2_articleid=439

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The BEAT is a great little car that does not make some of the Corsa's mistakes: It has larger windows on the side in the rear and a higher roof. Now equip this with engines ranging from the Corsa's 1.0l I3 to the OPC 1.6l Turbo (190hp) and this will not only appeal to American customers but to us Europeans as well!

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i'll take the girl over the beat..and camaro any day.I can have both..that way i have two stuning things..

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The Beat looks like a nice little car, GM just has to make it competitively reliable.

I like the new Camaro, except for the tail lights, something isn't right about them.

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#11: Where's the problem with reliability at GM? The current gen Corsa is relatively good, although it does not match the Hyundai Getz.

At least in Europe GM is building nice cars, harvesting profits and getting prepared for peak oil. The Koreans (http://www.chevrolet.de/) are doing nicely too. As with Ford, GM has it's problems in the homeland where they prefer selling crude pickups instead of the nice little car they sell abroad...

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Both look great! I wonder how much of the Camaro shown will actually be part of the production model? The Camaro interior is perfect for a convertible—well designed, and looks to be easy to keep detailed.

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1st off i would never buy a Camaro, just not my style.
The beat is ok, but i like the style of Opel/Vauxhall Corsa much better.
I see some people here like the beat's design, but it looks too cheap for the euro market, to be sold as opel/vauxhall.
I guess GM could offer the beat as Chevy and next Corsa as Saturn that might appel to more and might be able to hot more numbers as some prefer price over styling.I would look into buying A Corsa OPC/VRX for my next car.
GM give me something to buy,small 4 banger with great gas mileage,refinement.I have a older civic and will need something within the next few years.

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Note to General Motors:
Build that Camaro. Don't change it. Build it exactly how we see it there. And I will go out to a dealership and BUY ONE. And so will THOUSANDS of others.

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Wow, both great concepts that need to go into production NOW.
As far as GM trucks, they are great, especially the new silverado, I don't know of a better half-ton/full-ton truck in the US then the new silverado.

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I think they showed the Camaro waaay too early. They should have tossed out a near-production concept and had it available within a year. It's already getting kinda tired, and worse, everytime I look at the headlights/grille I can't help but see the main character in the Cars animated movie.

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/06/08/Cars_060607024154527_wideweb__300x375.jpg

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Remember, the Beat is Smaller than the Corsa. The Beat is an A-segment Vehicle.

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Well I for one like the Beat a lot.
@#14: I saw the Beat at the NY autoshow and agree it looks cheap but there's a really good reason for that... it's only a concept made of mostly plastic parts. I felt there was some lack of presentation as I was looking at the right front wheel I saw space between the "wheel" and the tire -- I put 'wheel' in quotes because for some reason it looked like a hubcap that wasn't properly mounted. If anybody at the JJC saw this, you know what I mean.


On the subject of "anti-Detroit", I personnaly feel conflicted as I would love to see AMERICAN companies succeed, but feel the decisions Detroit make and their excuses are sometimes ridiculous and sometimes force people to buy foreign. I want to see a strong american-made car industry which offers a variety of reliable cars and I want to BUY american made.
I want small clean diesels(the 1.3l dual turbo 112hp that GM produces for Opel/Vauxhall) and diesel-electrict hybrids(Opel Eco-Speedster http://www.carpages.co.uk/vauxhall/vauxhall_saving_fuel_is_fun_27_10_02.asp ) during the transition to alternative fuels, more small cars to fill the needs of those who either can't afford or don't want to pay $100 fillups at the pump(and right now most of this nich is being filled by japanese and korean automakers). These things are already made/used by the Big3 outside the US. No need for trimendous R&D.
And to all the naysayers out there who complain about the push for higher fuel economy, STFU! What happened to the great American know-how? We put Man on the Moon! If we let the Japanese beat us to the punch everytime, how can we say we're the best in the world? Once upon a time we lead the world in technology and engineering.
Well I'm sure some will call me out as unpatriotic but the way I see it, Detroit needs to get it's act together fast. And maybe GM will be able to earn it's "We're #1" mug they used to drink out of.



PS I'd also take the girl... but what straight guy wouldn't? Married one maybe. And sorry for the long post, it started out as a one line post lol.

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I think GM needs [hundreds of] THOUSANDS buying cars like this, the THOUSANDS of others argument proved a dangerous farce with the SSR, sure thousands bought it, tens of thousands more didn't, and it resulting in the folding of at least one company and THOUSANDS of american jobs.

I'm not feeling this car, at all. I loved the classic camaros but am sick and tired of this watered down retro shit. was the original camero a retro throwback? nope. mustang? nope. hell even the vette? nope. They were all fantastic new models that really hit the mark the first time around. The aforementioned SSR is a recent reminder of just how off a new model can be in terms of that mark... I'd just love to see GM produce more new cars that aren't watered down bits of nostalgia. You know, like the era when the camaro was born, et al?

Ths sky excites me much more then this hunk of steel.

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