• Mar 20, 2007
Toyota is a little confused as to how its new full-size Tundra pickup only achieved a score of four stars in the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration's test for frontal crash performance. Mike Levine at Pickuptruck.com, who is fast becoming Autoblog's unofficial expert on all things with a bed, spoke with Bill Kwong, a representative from Toyota, this morning. Kwong revealed that Toyota performed its own internal crash testing of the Tundra according to the NHTSA's criteria and the truck repeatedly scored five stars. This no doubt gave Toyota the confidence to predict that the Tundra would receive five stars across the board from the NHTSA, a move that definitely has the Japanese juggernaut wiping a little egg off its face now. Kwong said it will take a few weeks to sort out what contributed to the truck's four-star score, but that they'll determine what it is and fix it as soon as possible.
What's more curious about this whole situation is that the NHTSA reported frontal crash test scores for both the Tundra regular cab and the Double Cab, or what the NHTSA calls the Extended Cab in its results. Toyota claims, however, that the NHTSA hasn't tested the Double Cab yet and therefore its four-star result should be immediately removed from the organization's results website, safecar.gov. While we can't verify if Toyota's claim is true, both the pictures and video released by the NHTSA of the crash tests only show the regular cab model. Based on that, it does appear that the Double Cab, as well as the four-door Crew Max, have yet to be tested. Still, the four-star score for the Double Cab model remains on safecar.gov.



Check out the video of the Tundra regular cab being crash tested after the jump.

[Source: Pickuptruck.com]



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      • 7 Years Ago
      One unanswered question is what vehicles did they really test? The NHTSA site reports that both the regular cab model and the extended cab model (probably the double cab) had a vehicle curb weight of 5,203 lbs. This is weird because both models shouldn’t weigh the same and

      * the 4×2 base model of the regular cab weighs only 4,610 lbs while the 4×4 regular cab long bed with the 5.7L V8 weighs 5,175 lbs.
      * The base 4×2 double cab weighs 4,930 lbs and the 4×4 double cab long bed with the 5.7L V8 weighs 5,645 lbs.

      http://tundrablog.com/trucks/news/tundra-only-received-four-stars-from-nhtsa-24/
      • 7 Years Ago
      So, the answer? Don't build a car just to pass the test (with answers given up front i.e. how to build the EXACT crash test) just build it to perform the best under all, including unforseen circumstances.

      It is nice to know that safety is done by perfecting passing the test instead of just trying to build a safe vehicle for all ocassions. Sure Toyota probably isn't the only one but it would be nice if the NHTSA would tweak the tests to slightly unknown degrees once in a while to see who is just building a vehicle to pass (even with flying colors) and those who are thinking real world and adding more real world crash safety.

      Look at it this way, if car companies are making their vehiles 5 star just for the test it amounts to making the MPG figure higher for the EPA rating and we see how that translates to real world. The NHTSA is one crash case done in a controlled environment with the test takers knowing the whole environment up front before the test.
      • 7 Years Ago
      "16. There you have it, yet another reason why Americans should not buy an inferior Toyota Turd: any belief in Toyota hype is misplaced."

      Boy, you can smell the fear, can't you? Nothing like a Toyota Tundra post to get the flag-waving pick-em-up truck driving Toyota haters to spring from the couch. First NASCAR, now trucks -- oh, the threat to the 'Merican way of life!

      You all were saying the same sorts of things about Toyota cars 20 years ago. Well, we pretty much know how that ended, don't we?

      Welcome to the global economy. If you don't like it, think twice about for whom you place your vote...

      -IB

      • 7 Years Ago
      There you have it, yet another reason why Americans should not buy an inferior Toyota Turd: any belief in Toyota hype is misplaced.
        Joe Persad
        • 7 Years Ago
        Say what you will, I owned a 06 F150 5.4 Lariat crew cab for 6 months and lost 6K when I sold it due to Hydraulic lifter noise at 10K miles!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what a gas sucking hunk of crap it is. I put a K&N filter on and no matter how fast or slow I drove it struggled to give 15.5MPG - what a damned shame!!!
        The dealer "could not identify" the lifter in question and refused to replace them all.
        GUESS WHY I BOUGHT A DAMNED FORD F 150 -- I'LL TELL YOU.
        MY O1 GMC SIERRA WHICH I BOUGHT NEW DEVELOPED A LIFTER SLAP AT 50k AND THE DEALERS' RESPONSE WAS "THAT IS INHERENT TO THE GM'S 5.3L V-8'S - SORRY!"

        I WOULD BUY A TUNDRA IN A HEARTBEAT!!!
        I BET THAT IS ONE SWEET ENGINE IN THAT TRUCK!! WHY NOT ?? I LOST MONEY WITH FORD AND GM AND YOU COULD NOT GIVE ME A DODGE - THEY ARE JUST CHEAP CRAP, I RENT THEM FOR MY CREWS AND THEY ARE JUNKY AND WEAK IN THE KNEES.
      • 7 Years Ago
      29." You Canadian people are all alike, you must have an affinity for Japanese Crack, I mean what has Japan done for you? seems to me the US has done plenty from protecting you (the same way regretfully we do Japan) with our military, you know nobody is going to touch you with us next door, to manufacturing (you know car jobs that you people are retiring from) that has slipped across the border to you and all the terrorists you let slip across the border to us, what do we get? mouth about our products and people, well neighbour LICK ME! Go buy that piece of crap Toyota until there isn't cars built in your country and your jobs are gone, maybe you can sell pelts to the Japanese."

      Posted at 12:46PM on Mar 21st 2007 by Turdyota

      With all due respect you should refrain from bashing Canadians. They dont own any automakers they have more right to worship the Japanese than we do.
      Our fellow countrymen are the people you might want to straiten out.
      Don`t forget the American hostages Iran held back in 1979. Canada helped free some I forget the number may be 9 or 16? While we had our thumbs up our ass.
      • 7 Years Ago
      What is the American way of life anymore? Heck, what is American anymore? I see people who preach buy American, and then buy a Mexican-built Ford Fusion or Dodge Ram. I guess you could say that the Fusion's profits are coming mainly to Ford in the U.S., but where exactly are those Ram profits going? I really don't know. I imagine some of it goes to Auburn Hills, but the parent company is headquarted in Germany, so how much goes there? And how much benefit do blue-collar American workers see from domestic-badged vehicles built outside of the U.S.?

      If current trends continue for the next few decades, it will get to the point where the import auto manufacturers will employ more Americans than the American auto manufacturers. Ford started airing their commercials about Toyota claiming to be American, and what American really means, which is great. But I would like to see them back that up. Ford is closing or getting ready to close how many American plants, and they're going to invest how many billions in Mexico? Does buying a Ford product mean that I endorse their moving jobs and money out of the country? I love the commercial. I just wish I could believe that the company behind it really believes what they're boasting.

      Actually, I really do think that they do believe in what they're boasting. But, they have to stay financially alive. Moving production out of the country does reduce their production and overhead costs severely, and I really can't blame them. It's nice to see the UAW making concessions, but I think they're too little, too late. The domestic automakers are looking for any way to escape the UAW, and they've found a way. Again, I can't blame them, but I still can't stand the idea of a Mexican-built Lincoln. Although that particular Lincoln is a shining example of why imports are gaining so much ground. And now that I think about it, as unfortunate as it is, that whole brand is a shining example.
      • 7 Years Ago
      forget crash tests, I just hope they fixed the rattling chintzy interior.
      far jr
      • 7 Years Ago
      Regarding regular cab vs. extended cab testing, it's a moot point according to NHTSA.
      From the NHTSA FAQ:
      "We consider the crash scores and the rollover scores for a regular-cab pickup and an extended-cab pickup to be identical...
      Posted at 1:35AM on Mar 21st 2007 by jstand6

      Seems like an odd assumption by the NHTSA. I realize the frame absorbs most of the blow, but there is certainly some difference in structural rigidity based on frame length and also the cab structure itself. The moment forces would also be different with a longer wheelbase (notice the rear end rise in tests). Maybe history has shown this to be negligible?
      • 7 Years Ago
      Guess thats why it has those big brakes so you can stop before you bend that ugly ass front end up. I'm sure someone in congress given enough money can fix it for you.
      • 7 Years Ago
      We are also curious about this too. Anybody else have a Tundra ordered and looking for a place to talk about the Tundra?
      http://www.toyotatundraforum.com/index.php

      And did anyone Notice that the Titan got a 5 star rating?
      http://www.titantruckz.com/
      • 7 Years Ago
      How many North Americans buy trucks solely based on safety alone? Nobody. It's all about horsepower, torque, and fuel efficiency. Then it's load capacity, options, and durability.

      Toyota has a pretty good record with safety. I'd buy a toyota truck over Hyundai or Dodge any day.


      Stoneman
      http://www.stonemanautoreview.com
      • 7 Years Ago
      No big deal! Consumer Report will still give big red circle on this truck. Big Red circle is better than the 4 Yellow stars!
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