• Nov 8, 2006
News of the next generation Pacifica being cancelled and the model dropped from Chrysler's lineup has come to us right out of the rumor mill, albeit from a source we trust. We're told that official word of the Pacifica's fate is forthcoming and could arrive as early as today.

The Pacifica was never the sales success that Chrysler hoped it would be, a fact that could be blamed on its lukewarm launch. Its sales were slow to gain momentum on account of the absence of a lower-priced base model, and when such a model was added it seemed too little too late. Talk to a Pacifica owner, however, and you're likely to find someone who is very satisfied with his or her choice of transportation. The big four-door wagon (oops, Chrysler hates it when you call it that) was a competent crossover before the term was cool, combining the all-wheel drive attributes of an SUV with the slicker shape of a traditional wagon, effectively offering a vehicle as useful as a minivan without the suburban stigma. Sales of the vehicle are off 10% year-to-date, with Chrysler managing to move 60,885 units through October. We'll keep our ears open all day today in case Chrysler makes this rumor an official act.

UPDATE: A piece just posted on the Detroit Free Press website corroborates what our source has told us about the next generation Pacifica, codenamed the CT, being cancelled. The DFP has word from several suppliers who told the paper they have been ordered by Chrysler to stop work on the project and even lay off associated contracted engineers and designers.


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      • 8 Years Ago
      Talis,

      Where did you get that the Pacifica was all new platform. From my understanding it was build off the Caravan platform and it has nothing in common with the R Class. Please correct me if I am wrong.
      • 8 Years Ago
      Somebody'll get the tall 3-row wagon design right one day and it'll be a big hit.
      • 8 Years Ago
      The Pacifica.
      Shares its platform with the Caravan.
      25 cu ft. smaller than a Caravan.
      600 lb. heavier than a Caravan.
      $7000 MSRP more expensive than a Caravan.
      Sucks 2 mpg more gas than a Caravan.
      0.5" more ground clearance (for 5.9" total) than a Caravan.
      Just a styling exercise gone wrong.
      • 8 Years Ago
      The Pacifica shares the same basic structure as the Mini-vans, wonder how it runs in the same plant as the Caravan and Town & Country? The rear suspension though shares the E class design (key word: design) but not any interchangeable parts.

      I'm not sure how the "suppler" can be talking at this point, they just overhauled the powertrain for 07 which takes care of alot the "slow" issues,
      • 8 Years Ago
      "17. Talis,

      Where did you get that the Pacifica was all new platform. From my understanding it was build off the Caravan platform and it has nothing in common with the R Class. Please correct me if I am wrong.

      Posted at 9:33AM on Nov 8th 2006 by DC_1"

      The Pacifica is it's own platform. It shares NOTHING platform wise with the DCX minivans or the 300M. The R class is not the same platform either, although they were developed at the same time and do share some components. The Pacifica gets about 30% of it's components from the previos E-class.
      • 8 Years Ago
      I rented one of these while in Denver. Although they look ok, this vehicle seemed underpowered and the steering seemed to feel very loose and somewhat of a disconnect with the road. I had to gas pedel wide open hoping no one would run over me when traveling through the Eisenhower tunnel...scary it was.

      It is way over priced, in my opinion. I then rented a convertable Sebring, which had a similar experience with the steering but was much more fun to drive.
      • 8 Years Ago
      chriseh has it right. This thing was destined for failure when they launched it using a polarizing figure like Celine Dion. Half of the country can't stand her, and the other half tolerates her when they're told to do so.
      • 8 Years Ago
      Based on what I'm reading here, the Pacifica's main problem could well be that many people have major misconceptions about it.

      First, the Pacifica (unlike the Aztek, Rendezvous, MDX, and Pilot) was not based on the minivan, but is on its own platform. It started development using the minivan platform, but they found that wasn't workable so they scrapped that approach. The R-Class is on a totally different platform. It has a much longer wheelbase, a much roomier third row, and RWD-based vs. FWD-based.

      Second, the Pacifica's price hasn't been an issue for some time. While they started high, price cuts and $3,000 rebates fixed that. Base Pacificas could be had for about $19,000.

      The 2007 Pacifica Touring is actually $800 less than the Town & Country Touring before rebates. They do have a $3,500 rebate on the minivan though, vs. $1,500 on the Pacifica. (They dropped both the price and the size of the rebate for 2007.) Adjusting for equipment differences tilts the table $600 in the Pacifica's favor, putting it $1,400 under the minivan before rebates.

      I created a site to make this sort of comparison easy:

      http://www.truedelta.com

      If you want to know how much prices truly differ, use it.

      Third, the powertrain is no longer an issue for 2007. The 4.0 plus six-speed automatic combo is STRONG. Much stronger than the specs suggests. This thing scoots. My full review:

      http://www.epinions.com/content_262400806532

      This might just be another case of Detroit cancelling a product after they've finally gotten it to where it should have been at intro.

      Not that the Pacifica doesn't have real shortcomings. The main problem is probably the packaging--overly small windows (based on bad market research) and too tight an interior for such a large vehicle. One reason many people like SUVs is the amount of visibility they usually provide from the driver's seat, and the Pacifica does poorly in this regard.
      • 8 Years Ago
      Is there any new news on the cancellation of the Pacifica?
      • 8 Years Ago
      I don't think one can blame a bad launch. That can only mess things up for so long. Then the car should catch on, but it never did. The car is just not appealing to the public for many reasons. #1 being it looks too much like a station wagon and those have been out of style since the Ford Taurus of the 80's. MBZ is having the same problems pushing their version. It's just a hard niche that is not in style today. I think Chysler should redesign it to not look so femme or wagon-like. If they pulled off something like what Lexus does with the RX (more elegant) or what Acura does with the MDX (more sporty), they'd have a winner. Still car/van based, but looking more like a traditional SUV. (not a low wagon)
      • 8 Years Ago
      GM, Ford and Toyota thank DCX for the extra boost.
      • 8 Years Ago
      18. Why don't US buyers like wagons? They were so popular and practical at one time. There any number of Euro-wagons I find very appealing, not the Pacifica however. A BMW 320D diesel wagon is rated at 50 mpg on the highway, how cool is that?

      Wagons and hatchbacks have one inherent design flaw, the rear shock towers reside inside the cabin with the driver. Every bit of road noise is transmitted into the cabin. Europeans don't seem to mind this very much, we do. I have test driven a number of cars that offered both the classic three box design (engine bay, passenger compartment and trunk) and two box design such as hatchbacks and wagons, the 3 box is much more unpleasant. Unless there is a utility need for the 2box version of any car that offers both, the 3box design will always outsell them here.
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